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Merged Wikileaks DNC leak proves primary was rigged /DNC planned to use Sanders' religion ag

Skeptic Ginger said:
We are talking about suddenly changing and not chairing the Convention, and stepping down sooner rather than later.

How is Sanders' blaming her for his failure and a large crowd of vocal Sanders' delegates not the reason?
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I don't think Sanders is blaming her for his failure. What he is doing -- now supported by substantial evidence -- is contending that Wasserman and the DNC were in the barrel for Clinton before the primaries started. An honest broker would have maintained professional neutrality despite her personal views. Wasserman saw it as her job to get Clinton nominated.
 
Odd, it seems that the people who care most about DWS being removed from the convention are Republican HDS sufferers. I know I don't give a ****.

Who wants to bet that Bernie Sanders is still going to say during his primetime speech that Donald Trump has to be stopped and to vote for Hillary?
 
Bob001 said:
I don't think Sanders is blaming her for his failure. What he is doing -- now supported by substantial evidence -- is contending that Wasserman and the DNC were in the barrel for Clinton before the primaries started. An honest broker would have maintained professional neutrality despite her personal views. Wasserman saw it as her job to get Clinton nominated.
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While she certainly favored Hillary, I don't see any evidence that the primaries were rigged in her favor.

Bernie lost because significantly fewer people wanted him to win. He would have lost no matter who the DNC chair was. It is that simple.
 
varwoche said:
Common ground, in the form of fact-challenged, conspiratorial thinking.
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Some conspiracies can be real you know. There is a less than zero chance that the Democratic nominee was going to be Clinton.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL to eventually learn that Trump himself was in on it.
 
NoahFence said:
Some conspiracies can be real you know. There is a less than zero chance that the Democratic nominee was going to be Clinton.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL to eventually learn that Trump himself was in on it.
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She would have lost if there was a good enough candidate running against her. You know, how she lost to some guy named Barack Obama eight years ago.
 
16.5 said:
In light of Wasserman having her speaking role eliminated and then having her withdrawn as Chairman of the convention for getting caught with her thumb on the scale, now Sanders weighs in:
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See, this is the thing. These Emails only confirmed what I was thinking was pretty common knowledge. Clinton coronation, and some infighting about how it was that Sanders was even a force to be reckoned with.
 
Tony Stark said:
Odd, it seems that the people who care most about DWS being removed from the convention are Republican HDS sufferers. I know I don't give a ****.

Who wants to bet that Bernie Sanders is still going to say during his primetime speech that Donald Trump has to be stopped and to vote for Hillary?
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Of course he's going to say that. He said it this morning. You didn't think he was going to flip-flop over this do you?
 
Tony Stark said:
She would have lost if there was a good enough candidate running against her. You know, how she lost to some guy named Barack Obama eight years ago.
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Clinton won. Fair and square? It seemed to me that this was either going to be Obama then Clinton, or Clinton then Obama. Either way that's the way America has been trending. And it ain't stopping now.



But it is what it is, and now is the time to beat Trump.
 
NoahFence said:
Of course he's going to say that. He said it this morning. You didn't think he was going to flip-flop over this do you?
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What Bernie should do, in light of the emails released by WL, is stand at the mike and say:

"I came here with a message of hope for the future of the Democratic Party of the United States, but the duplicity now shown by the party itself have shown me that what this country needs is not Trump, not Clinton, but a powerful independent who will bind the country together and take it forwards, hence I am now announcing my candidacy for President!"

Leaves stage to boos and shouts of Bernie! Bernie!

Looks to me like the emails have handed Trump the momentum right when it should have been building for Billary.

Bernie supporters will rightly feel sold out no matter what the old guy does - unless he gives the above speech.
 
The Atheist said:
What Bernie should do, in light of the emails released by WL, is stand at the mike and say:

"I came here with a message of hope for the future of the Democratic Party of the United States, but the duplicity now shown by the party itself have shown me that what this country needs is not Trump, not Clinton, but a powerful independent who will bind the country together and take it forwards, hence I am now announcing my candidacy for President!"

Leaves stage to boos and shouts of Bernie! Bernie!

Looks to me like the emails have handed Trump the momentum right when it should have been building for Billary.

Bernie supporters will rightly feel sold out no matter what the old guy does - unless he gives the above speech.
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Trump would absolutely love it if Bernie did that as it would guarantee that Trump would win. Thankfully, Bernie is not a moronic piece of garbage.

I voted for Bernie and donated to his campaign. If he did that, I would absolutely hate him and personally blame him for President Donald J. Trump.
 
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Tony Stark said:
Trump would absolutely love it if Bernie did that as it would guarantee that Trump would win. Thankfully, Bernie is not a moronic piece of garbage.
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He doesn't want to be remembered as the Ralph Nader of 2016.
 
Bob001 said:
I don't think Sanders is blaming her for his failure. What he is doing -- now supported by substantial evidence -- is contending that Wasserman and the DNC were in the barrel for Clinton before the primaries started. An honest broker would have maintained professional neutrality despite her personal views. Wasserman saw it as her job to get Clinton nominated.
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Yawn. Have you not read any posts here before repeating the same unsupported assertions? Maybe I need to ask a simpler question:

How did they rig it? Give us the details of how it worked?
 
NoahFence said:
Some conspiracies can be real you know. There is a less than zero chance that the Democratic nominee was going to be Clinton.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL to eventually learn that Trump himself was in on it.
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How'd they do it? Surely you can describe the details of how they did it.

I'll wait. :popcorn1
 
NoahFence said:
Clinton won. Fair and square? It seemed to me that this was either going to be Obama then Clinton, or Clinton then Obama. Either way that's the way America has been trending. And it ain't stopping now.



But it is what it is, and now is the time to beat Trump.
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Yes she won fair and square. By a lot. Millions of votes. If there was a good enough candidate running against her, she may not have.
 
Tony Stark said:
Trump would absolutely love it if Bernie did that as it would guarantee that Trump would win. Thankfully, Bernie is not a moronic piece of garbage.

I voted for Bernie and donated to his campaign. If he did that, I would absolutely hate him and personally blame him for President Donald J. Trump.
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Sanders has spoken. "We've known" all this. Breaking news... this is not news.

Clearly he's withdrawn from the nomination battle. He's disappointed not getting a libril Veep.

Moving on...
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Yawn. Have you not read any posts here before repeating the same unsupported assertions? Maybe I need to ask a simpler question:

How did they rig it? Give us the details of how it worked?
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Superdelegates coming out for Clinton before the primaries even began? Debates being scheduled when no one was watching?
 
Fudbucker said:
Superdelegates coming out for Clinton before the primaries even began? Debates being scheduled when no one was watching?
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More people watched the Clinton/Sanders debates than watched the Obama/Clinton debates. Superdelegates came out for her in against Obama and that didn't stop him. She had the problem against Obama that Bernie had this election, narrow demographic appeal.
 
Fudbucker said:
Superdelegates coming out for Clinton before the primaries even began? Debates being scheduled when no one was watching?
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So you think people looked at that and said, Clinton's ahead, I vote Clinton?

Are you able to distinguish between most in the Democratic Party leadership supported Clinton from 'rigged'?

Did you watch the debates? I did. Seems like a might thin straw there you are grasping.

Neither of those things had any significant impact on the outcome. If anything, they gave Sanders fundraising benefits.
 
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