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Merged Wikileaks DNC leak proves primary was rigged /DNC planned to use Sanders' religion ag

This isn't going to help Trump at all, but I find myself in total agreement with 16.5 here. Sanders was screwed from the get go.

This is a coronation, not an election. It always has been.
 
There's no need to hack wikileaks. Just read it in Assange's openly published words. Just like everyone who cares about this planet as a whole, he knows that Killary is a bloodthirsty war criminal and absolutely unfit to become POTUS.

In other words he is a foul criminal working to harm democracy and help put a lunatic at the head of the US government!!!!! If WikiLeaks was interested in doing good, they would be going after republickers. And ultra-large corporations.
 
This isn't going to help Trump at all, but I find myself in total agreement with 16.5 here. Sanders was screwed from the get go.

This is a coronation, not an election. It always has been.
Common ground, in the form of fact-challenged, conspiratorial thinking.
 
... Second, and more interestingly, Hillary is a very secretive person who presents a persona to the public which is likely quite different from her real one. I think we can all agree that she is something of a chameleon. Most politicians are, of course, but she is on the "Zelig" end of the spectrum. Wikileaks is all about exposing governmental and political secrets. It's about ripping off masks. There's no point in doing this against Trump. The guy is an open book. Sure, he won't release his tax returns, and there are no doubt plenty of skeletons remaining in his dozens of closets, but there's a huge pile of skeletons right there in his living room. And in the foyer. Some are even outside on the front lawn, and he regales his audiences with stories about how they came to pass. The guy has no filter. He has no inner voice. Or rather his inner voice is his outer voice because he says whatever enters his mind at any particular moment. From Wikileaks' perspective, he's boring.
:rolleyes: A secretive person is someone like Howard Hughes or for a more contemporary character, Harrison Ford. Clinton is in public all the time. Her and Bill both socialize with everyone. They know thousands of people, it a prominent feature of their lives. People who know her praise her.

Your post is an eye opener. Someone with no evidence whatsoever of all the horrible things you are absolutely convinced are true about her, so you just conjure up a rationalization: she must be all those things in secret.

Trump is an open book because that's one symptom of his personality disorder. And I assure you, if Trump is elected, heaven forbid, I'm sure there will be plenty of secrets leaked, probably more secrets than were ever leaked about anyone ;). I mean that seriously though, I would think there would be whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork should Trump be POTUS because there would be a lot of appalled people with things to tell.

This isn't going to help Trump at all, but I find myself in total agreement with 16.5 here. Sanders was screwed from the get go.

This is a coronation, not an election. It always has been.
I'll ask again, because it wasn't answered when I asked it earlier (or rather it was answered with BS there was no evidence to support). Just what specifically did the DNC do that sabotaged Sanders?

So far the national news have been noting a single email, the one about Sanders atheism. There was some mention of badmouthing Sanders saying DWS had to help him get his :rule10 together. That revelation has been portrayed as either just gossip between DNC members or some secret plot to make Sanders look incompetent.

There were 20,000 emails and that's all they got. Only Fox is still trying to make news out of it.

The main effect, demonstrated by your post as well, has been to rile up the sour grapes among the most diehard Sanders fans.

"We was robbed!"
"Just how did they carry it out?"
[Cue the conspiracy theories
that the 'establishment' controlled the media despite the relentless attacks on Clinton in the media; disenfranchised voters despite the fact Sanders won in states with caucuses shown to be inconsistent with popular vote in the same state; and somehow the superdelegates are why Clinton won even though Sanders lost the popular vote and even if said s-delegates were bound to their state's voter outcome, Clinton still would have won.]

The fact most people in the DNC supported Clinton was not a conspiracy, it was just a fact. Sorry Bernie Bros, there is nothing in the leaked emails that indicated said preference for Clinton impacted the election outcome other than the fact it also reflected the Democratic Party voters at large.

Of course pissing the Bernie Bros off just before the Convention will surely make the yelling on the floor louder than the reaction to the RNC shutting down voting to unbind the delegates on the first vote.
 
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Sander's fundamental issue was more than how he ran his campaign - it was obvious he simply didn't have a comprehensive enough platform to actually run for president. I mean, can anyone name a tenet of Sanders' foreign policy? You know, the area where the president has by far and away the most power?

That didn't help.

And of course, I can easily name a few - his opposition to TPP, his refusal to rule out wars or use of UAVs, and so forth. The main problem is, there wasn't much to differentiate him from Clinton there. And on domestic issues, he had no coherent plan to actually *do* anything that he proposed, and became ornery when asked to discuss, say, racial injustices.

Truth is, a lot of people simply don't care much for Hillary, but Sanders all to often simply never provided a viable alternative even to the people who were openly asking him to do so. And in the end, his base ended up being exactly the same people who immediately ran away from Obama when he was inaugurated, because he didn't remove troops from Afghanistan (which he said he would not do), or because he didn't magically get single payer health care (which was impossible due to opposition in congress).

Now, does the DNC have some major problems? Yes, who hasn't noticed that over the past decade? But I can, and do, believe that's true, *and* that Sanders was ultimately running to push issues rather than to win, because of issues that I've seen with him over the past year, which this article highlights.
 
The Chairman of the DNC is not going to speak at their convention because of a scandal, and many Dems laugh it off like it is no big deal. It's a big deal, but most Dems may not even hear about it because the "mainstream" media will cover it up. Trump knows about it, though, and he can't be covered up.
 
That didn't help.

And of course, I can easily name a few - his opposition to TPP, his refusal to rule out wars or use of UAVs, and so forth. The main problem is, there wasn't much to differentiate him from Clinton there.
He seemed to give a bunch of standard answers. We know Clinton pretty well, of course, both because of her SoS tenure and because she was a clear contrast to Obama's unusual approach. I strongly doubt Sanders had anything like a vision of how to approach the Arab world, or Iran, or Russia, or the tensions in the EU. I mean, I at least followed him on social media and paid attention to articles about him.

And on domestic issues, he had no coherent plan to actually *do* anything that he proposed, and became ornery when asked to discuss, say, racial injustices.
I found his lack of preparedness on racial injustices a bit baffling, considering how intimately tied they are to economic and social inequalities in the United States.

As for doing things... well, he "needed a movement" that would presumably do things for him. Taking "leading from behind" to new heights.

Truth is, a lot of people simply don't care much for Hillary, but Sanders all to often simply never provided a viable alternative even to the people who were openly asking him to do so. And in the end, his base ended up being exactly the same people who immediately ran away from Obama when he was inaugurated, because he didn't remove troops from Afghanistan (which he said he would not do), or because he didn't magically get single payer health care (which was impossible due to opposition in congress).

Now, does the DNC have some major problems? Yes, who hasn't noticed that over the past decade? But I can, and do, believe that's true, *and* that Sanders was ultimately running to push issues rather than to win, because of issues that I've seen with him over the past year, which this article highlights.

Sanders seems to view socio-economic justice as some sort of panacea that is so reasonable and that ought to resonate with so many people that things will just happen if he "gets the message out there". But politics and overcoming political opposition is dirty, hard work and being president is the dirtiest and most thankless work of them all. The primary purpose of the position is really not for it to be a pulpit. Somehow I wonder if he was more interested in gaining influence over the Democratic Party than the actual job of President.
 
The Chairman of the DNC is not going to speak at their convention because of a scandal, and many Dems laugh it off like it is no big deal. It's a big deal, but most Dems may not even hear about it because the "mainstream" media will cover it up. Trump knows about it, though, and he can't be covered up.

Citation please
 
The Chairman of the DNC is not going to speak at their convention because of a scandal, and many Dems laugh it off like it is no big deal. It's a big deal, but most Dems may not even hear about it because the "mainstream" media will cover it up. Trump knows about it, though, and he can't be covered up.

I would chalk it up more to a personality clash than a scandal. Sanders has targeted DWS since he began whining about the debate schedule and rules. That was the big mistake I saw DWS make. After that Sanders targeted her for blame. The more he was losing, the more he blamed the 'conspiracy' against him.
 
He seemed to give a bunch of standard answers. We know Clinton pretty well, of course, both because of her SoS tenure and because she was a clear contrast to Obama's unusual approach. I strongly doubt Sanders had anything like a vision of how to approach the Arab world, or Iran, or Russia, or the tensions in the EU. I mean, I at least followed him on social media and paid attention to articles about him.


I found his lack of preparedness on racial injustices a bit baffling, considering how intimately tied they are to economic and social inequalities in the United States.

As for doing things... well, he "needed a movement" that would presumably do things for him. Taking "leading from behind" to new heights.



Sanders seems to view socio-economic justice as some sort of panacea that is so reasonable and that ought to resonate with so many people that things will just happen if he "gets the message out there". But politics and overcoming political opposition is dirty, hard work and being president is the dirtiest and most thankless work of them all. The primary purpose of the position is really not for it to be a pulpit. Somehow I wonder if he was more interested in gaining influence over the Democratic Party than the actual job of President.

QFT

Well said.
 
I found his lack of preparedness on racial injustices a bit baffling, considering how intimately tied they are to economic and social inequalities in the United States.

As for doing things... well, he "needed a movement" that would presumably do things for him. Taking "leading from behind" to new heights.



Sanders seems to view socio-economic justice as some sort of panacea that is so reasonable and that ought to resonate with so many people that things will just happen if he "gets the message out there". But politics and overcoming political opposition is dirty, hard work and being president is the dirtiest and most thankless work of them all. The primary purpose of the position is really not for it to be a pulpit. Somehow I wonder if he was more interested in gaining influence over the Democratic Party than the actual job of President.

Lack of preparedness on racial injustice? Are you freaking kidding me? He was on the front lines in favore of the civil rights act, getting arrested for racial equality while republican Hillary was campaigning for Goldwater.

Hillary ran a racist campaign against Obama and talked about hard working white Americans.

Cripes, what a silly statement.
 
I would chalk it up more to a personality clash than a scandal. Sanders has targeted DWS since he began whining about the debate schedule and rules. That was the big mistake I saw DWS make. After that Sanders targeted her for blame. The more he was losing, the more he blamed the 'conspiracy' against him.

I think your fooling yourself, but ok.

DWS has been on the outs for a while.

BUT she will still beat her congressional opponent in November.
 
Crickets have been busy

In light of Wasserman having her speaking role eliminated and then having her withdrawn as Chairman of the convention for getting caught with her thumb on the scale, now Sanders weighs in:

"It goes without saying the function of the DNC," Sanders said, "is to represent all of the candidates to be fair and even-minded."

Sanders also called the emails an "outrage" and "sad" but also that they "do not come as "a great shock." He believes that the DNC was "at opposition to our campaign" all along, he said Sunday morning.

"I mean there's no question to my mind and I think no question to any objective observer's mind that the DNC was supporting Hillary Clinton, and was at opposition to our campaign," Sanders said.
 
I think your fooling yourself, but ok.

DWS has been on the outs for a while.

BUT she will still beat her congressional opponent in November.
We are talking about suddenly changing and not chairing the Convention, and stepping down sooner rather than later.

How is Sanders' blaming her for his failure and a large crowd of vocal Sanders' delegates not the reason?
 
We are talking about suddenly changing and not chairing the Convention, and stepping down sooner rather than later.

How is Sanders' blaming her for his failure and a large crowd of vocal Sanders' delegates not the reason?

it was Sanders's fault that Wasserman got caught with her thumb on the scale???

Oh man, :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Those crickets are awful busy!
 

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