Paul Bethke
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Not so you seem to miss the point--it was stated what do I teach people with regards to repentance--I thought you were a bit more perceptive than that!
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halleyscomet
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No, you were dodging again. You're explicitly avoiding a topic you claim is important to salvation and God's favor and your post was just a list of excuses for that behavior.
I find it disturbing that you were answering the questions until I got to the one about kidnapping. I'm not going to press on that one anymore.
Crossbow
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Wow!
I have never seen anyone with such colorful job history:
You have gone from being a failed supernatural blinder,
To being a failed prophet, and
Now you are a teacher of repentance.
Well now ...
I hope that you can forgive the perception difficulties that are faced by us mere mortals who are so often stunned by the incredible brightness that you so graciously provide to us.
Also, I am quite sure that you new job will be at least twice as successful as your two previous jobs combined.
Mr. Bethke? If you wouldn't mind . . . .
Paul Bethke
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There is only one set of the Ten Commandments that is available—no one can change them, they were inscribed by the finger of God on stone and given to Moses and they were kept in the ark made for that purpose.( Deut_10:4 The LORD wrote on these tablets what he had written before, the Ten Commandments he had proclaimed to you on the mountain, out of the fire, on the day of the assembly. And the LORD gave them to me. )
The Kosher laws would be included if the marriage covenant was sanctified—there is no purpose in first presenting the Kosher law---many Jews today observe the kosher laws and the Sabbaths, but they still lie and steal and commit adultery.
If a person is committing adultery then they must repent and accept the alternative life style that will make them acceptable to God.( Act_15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. )
I am not rejecting any of the laws of the Torah—I am first using the Decalogue to evaluate a person life. The 613 Mitsvot is man’s compilation of the laws, some are applicable to priest, to woman to farmers so one must see what is applicable to who.
So for instance one would need to teach people hygiene values. Which today would be common practice.
Let me highlight one law that I have previously discussed on the Forum, which had a big response—( Lev_18:19 "'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period. ) Now this is also taught in the Mitvot, under forbidden sexual relationships. So naturally one would teach people these laws.
Another law—( Lev 18:17 "'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.)
So do you think I am doing away with what is taught in the Torah?
(Lev 18:23 "'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion. )
No fella you are way of course in suggesting that I do not teach Torah
Paul Bethke
Philosopher
I did explain it to you in a way that it should be clear--there is no other way to explain a situation of this nature--men cannot marry men.
Paul Bethke
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Is thanks in order?
Paul Bethke
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You are being ridiculous--I have answered the questions, it is you who have not observed the validity of my answers.
I told you that kidnapping is not relevant to me so what does that mean--do you have a problem in not understanding a clear answer?
You seem to find it absolutely impossible to answer a simple yes or no question with a simple yes or no response. I will assume then, that you mean a man may carry on banging even if his rapist is not executed, since the rape did not constitute marriage.
What I would like to know now (though I do not expect to actually receive a clear answer) is, why the blatant double standard? What is the difference between a rapist inserting his penis (assuming a male rapist here, for ease) into a man against his will, and a rapist inserting his penis into a woman against her will? How do you justify claiming that a woman must remain chaste until her rapist is executed, but a man may go happily on his banging ways? I'm going to go ahead and assume it is because you still think of women as property, and rape is straight-up property damage.
Again, I don't really expect a clear, sensible response from you on this, but I thought I'd try asking anyway.
Craig4
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Yet they do, without regard to your injunction. And nothing happens to them from a divine retribution point of view.
Craig4
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Oh,I imagine the same thing that happened to the grass at the World Cup.
Crossbow
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If you would stop with your pathetic nonsense, that would be thanks enough.
After all, with your pathetic nonsense you are only making a fool of yourself. Also, if you are trying to convert people with your pathetic nonsense, then you are being quite counter-productive.
halleyscomet
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Why do you keep lying about having answered questions when you clearly have not?
Does that ploy work in your personal life?
Are you intentionally trying to gaslight?
"Not relevant to me" does not constitute a "yes" or "no" response and I think you know it. Would that response work with the police if you were being interrogated as a "person of interest" in a criminal investigation? This is particularity true as you wrote:
You explicitly said you did "not see the need to answer" but are now claiming that sentence was a "clear" answer.
I've been advised by the moderators that I can keep asking you questions about the 613 Mitzvot but need to not harp on it when you refuse to answer one. I find this a reasonable restriction and I hope my efforts to discuss your refusal to answer any MORE questions on the 613 Mitzvot didn't cross any lines.
To that end, I'm not going to ask you again for a clear "yer" or "no" answer on the kidnapping question. You clearly don't want to GIVE a clear answer yet you are pretending you HAVE GIVEN a clear answer.
halleyscomet
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Again, your Biblical illiteracy comes into play.
Go read the Wikipedia article about the Ten Commandments. Your claim that there's only one set of them is flat out wrong. It's easily debunked nonsense that betrays your completely lack of familiarity with the texts and with the origins of the "Ten Commandments."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Traditions_for_numbering
There's even a handy chart listing the variances between the Ten Commandments between denominations.
So why then do you keep going on about the Kosher laws?
Oh dear God I hope you don't try to teach anyone about the Bible or any portion of it. Based upon the Biblical knowledge you've demonstrated here the resulting education would be full of hubris and misinformation.
Craig4
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But you failed with the grass. Your lessons have no value.
halleyscomet
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I disagree. I find his Bible study efforts of tremendous comedic value.
Craig4
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I'll concede the point and say his lessons have no instructive value. No one should alter how they live their life based on his teaching.
There are three versions of them in the Torah. Only one of them is described at the end of the list as the "Ten Commandments". Here is the passage from Exodus 34. It is unambiguous. If there's only one version of the Ten Commandments, it's the one in Ex 34.
27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.
Go and read them. Ex 34:10-26.Slowvehicle
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Actually, the question I, personally, asked, was, "When do you, personally, think ƴ ͤ fludde happened?"
In other words, what date do you, personally believe the "scirptures assign to "ƴ ͤ fludde"?
I hope that you will answer this, as a foundation for your learning.
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Slowvehicle
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...demonstrating your own lack of a "working knowledge" of "scripture"...
Do you realize there was more than one set of tablets?
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