Honor killing

Darat said:
It's a strange culture, they have had a female prime minister (who was assimilated later during a election campaign) which always strikes me as very strange given how women are generally treated.
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Assimilated? Did the Borg show up during the election?
 
Darth Rotor said:
No, he got hit with an axe, and then strangled, and then poisoned, and then run over by a truck. They mistook him for Rasputin.
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What? An axe? Those haven't been effective weapons since folks started wearing plate armour.
 
Giz said:
What? An axe? Those haven't been effective weapons since folks started wearing plate armour.
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Last time I wore plate armor, the first blow shattered two plates. The Missus is still pissed about the loss of tableware.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...5cfac94f?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&yptr=yahoo
A police source said the government of Punjab, the country’s largest province, has made it impossible for the family to forgive the son who murdered her - a common legal loophole that sees many honor killings go unpunished in Pakistan.

“It was done on the instructions of the government. But it happens rarely,” said the Punjab police official.
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Nice, seems like there is human life there after all.
 
Ranb said:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/16/asia/pakistan-qandeel-baloch-murder/index.html


I've no idea if the Wikipedia article quoted below is accurate. But I wonder if the killer will be prosecuted and if his sentence will be the same or less as the "common" murderer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Pakistan

Since this woman was in some way a public figure, maybe the state will proceed with a prosecution for murder.

Ranb
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This is why we need secular countries.
The Eu has been talking to turkey recently, 'If you have a death sentence then the EU says no'.
some religions need to go through an enlightenment thingy, please do it.
 
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trustbutverify said:
I'm sure there is plenty of human life there, but I'd say this decision owes more to bad publicity.
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I was being facetious. But not when I claim that the humans in the country are allowing themselves to be ruled or influenced by monsters.
 
tyr_13 said:
It's a truly barbaric practice that needs stomped out strongly. They still think of women as property, which is horrific. I don't know how to do this though apart from law changes, which won't happen until cultural changes.
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It requires a cultural change but before we get too high and mighty...

In 2011 (the latest FBI stats that came up for me Link) in the U.S.:
  • 552 women were murdered by their husbands
  • 474 women were murdered by their boyfriends
  • 182 women were murdered by their fathers
 
But chances are those murders were not legally allowed to buy their way to freedom.
 
tyr_13 said:
It's a truly barbaric practice that needs stomped out strongly. They still think of women as property, which is horrific.

I don't know how to do this though apart from law changes, which won't happen until cultural changes.
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Indeed, and it's hypocrisy of the worst sort. When Danish-Pakistani Ghazala Khan was murdered in Denmark 11 years ago, it was because she had brought shame to the family by falling in love with, and later marrying, an Afghan man of a different tribe (he was Pashtun, she was (IIRC) Punjabi).

Meanwhile, one of her two brothers were openly dating several Danish girls at the same time, while the other brother was functional alcoholic and drug addict.

Edit: At least the Danish courts put the hammer down when it came to punishing those involved in the murder (quoted from wiki, my bolding):
Ghulam Abbas. Ghazala's father. 57 year old. Taxi driver. Living in Denmark since 1970. Convicted of ordering the murder of Ghazala and her husband. Sentence: life in prison.
Akhtar Abbas. Ghazala's older brother. 30 year old. Taxi driver. Living in Denmark since 1986. Convicted for firing the gun that killed Ghazala and injured Emal Khan. Sentence: 16 years prison.
Perveen Khan. Ghazala's aunt by marriage to Ghazala's uncle Walayat Khan who is also convicted in the case. 40 years old. Stay at home mother of four. Living in Denmark since 1994. Kept contact with Ghazala and Emal and informed the family, so they were found. Arranged the mock reconciliation meeting where Ghazala was murdered. Sentence: 14 years of prison followed by permanent banishment from Denmark.
Wallayat Khan. Ghazala's uncle; mother's brother. 46 year old. Taxi driver. Living in Denmark since 1987. Together with Ghazala's father, sought out several of the people who had helped to hide Ghazala and Emal. Was in Ringsted at the time of the murder, and followed the action on his cell phone. Sentence: 16 years.
Asghar Ali (the elder). Ghazala' uncle; father's brother. 42 years. Taxi driver. Living in Denmark since 1987. Together with Ghazala's father, sought out several of the people who had helped to hide Ghazala and Emal. Was in Ringsted at the time of the murder, and followed the action on his cell phone. Sentence: 16 years.
Asghar Ali (the younger). Ghazala's uncle; father's brother. 31 year old. Unemployed. Living in Denmark since 2001. Drove in the car with Ghazala's brother on his way to the murder. Has had alcohol and drug related problems. In the days following the murder, he was heard bragging about what the family had done. Sentence: 14 years followed by permanent banishment from Denmark.
Anser Iqbal. Friend of family. 45 year old. Taxi driver. Living in Denmark since 1976. Accompanied Ghazala's aunt to the mock reconciliation meeting. Stayed in constant phone contact with the rest of the convicted which were also at or around the scene of the murder. Sentence: 10 years.
Naweed Sharif. Friend of family. 30 year old. Taxi driver. Born in Denmark. Drove Ghazala's brother on his way to the murder. Sentence: 8 years.
Ghulam Ahmed. Friend of family. 36 year old. Taxi driver. Living in Denmark since 1987. Knew of the plans to murder Ghazala. Was in the car that drove Ghazala's brother to Ghazala. Sentence: 10 years followed by permanent banishment from Denmark.
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