Split Thread Signs of the End Times

[Paul Bethke]

So what? You're still talking about the fact such beliefs exist without doing anything to establish their prevalence. Your "argument" is about as valid as me posting details about the "Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster" as "proof" that most white people are members.

Establishing something exists does nothing to establish it's popularity.



BWHAHAHA!!!!!

Sorry kid, but they're not only still associated with paganism, that association is groing STRONGER as the percentage of Pagans and Neo-Pagans in the population has been growing over the last few decades.

Besides, some of those traditions, like the Christmas tree, are in direct conflict with the Bible. If you're going to defend them with "no longer associated with paganism" then you lose the ability to argue that speaking to your ancestors is un-Christian, so long as the person doing it claims to be Christian.



That was a choice rant. It conveyed no meaning or argument, it made no points, but it did express your vibrant, undulating, soul consuming racism quite effectively.



Got any statistics about how prevalent those beliefs actually are?

Never mind. Even if you DID produce such statics, they wouldn't matter. You're arguing that a Christian black woman can't marry a Christian white man because she MIGHT have a cousin who practices a form of a native religion. Should your children be banned from marrying a Christian if you're found to have a cousin who worships Thor? Of course not. That would be stupid. Why then do you want to ban ALL blacks from marrying whites because some small percentage might practice a native religion instead of or in addition to Christianity?

A black must marry a black and a white must marry a white, otherwise all whites will become extinct and everybody will become coloured.
Besides there will always be a tendency to force whites to comply with the black customs. You see, it is very dangerous for a black to deny their heritage, there is always fear of repercussion.
But most of all the plan of Satan, is to eliminate the whites as they are a threat to his plan to prevent God from setting up the Kingdom which will mean his defeat. Now if you took the time to view those articles about Zuma—then you should be able to see how deep rooted the traditions are.
Apartheid failed in implementing their policy—so there is a partial set back, which will be rectified :soon:

 

[Paul Bethke]

From a debate / educational / evangelism point of view, it would be helpful and further advance your argument if you paraphrased that clarification or linked to the post where you originally wrote that clarification.

Lost the thread, please refresh.

If the TOS have any restrictions on hate speech then any number of people could have reported a variety of your posts about topics such as your, er, regressive attitude on race relations. Trying to figure out who is responsible for a given report is a fool's errand. I've gotten a few warnings in my time and my response has not been to go on a witch hunt for whoever reported me, but to try and moderate my behavior to avoid that issue in the future.

I know what the Mods referred to.

Based upon my experience, the moderators here are quite communicative, patient and fair. If you think the warning was unfair, politely contact the moderators about it.

Will keep that in mind--here is another article that highlights my claim--

A Religion of Fear
Ancestor worship (sometimes called "animism") is a religion of fear. The believers are always in fear of angering the ancestors. When anything goes wrong the sangoma is consulted. Invariably the diagnosis is that the worshiper has angered the ancestors and that a feast must be held. A feast is expensive because everyone must be allowed to come and eat. A cow or a goat is killed by the witch doctor in a traditional way, much beer is made, and great pots of stiff corn meal porridge are prepared. All relatives and friends and neighbors attend and many get drunk. Of course, the witch doctor gets a nice fee for his services plus the best piece of meat.

http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume35/GOT035143.html

 

[halleyscomet]

A black must marry a black and a white must marry a white, otherwise all whites will become extinct and everybody will become coloured.

So what? Increased melanin in the general population will probably reduce skin cancer rates anyway. Desperately needing your descendants to be JUST LIKE YOU is narcissistic nonsense.

But then, I'm a white man who married a Jewish woman, so you probably consider me a race traitor anyway.

Besides there will always be a tendency to force whites to comply with the black customs. You see, it is very dangerous for a black to deny their heritage, there is always fear of repercussion.

That's an irrational and unfounded conversion fear debunked by the very links you posted. People entering an interracial marriage are already triggering those social taboos. Making their white partner "act black" won't give them a pass on those social taboos.

But most of all the plan of Satan, is to eliminate the whites as they are a threat to his plan to prevent God from setting up the Kingdom which will mean his defeat. Now if you took the time to view those articles about Zuma—then you should be able to see how deep rooted the traditions are.

Are you sure you're not Mormon? That's some grade a "white and delightsome" level "special snowflake race" nonsense right there. Why would whites be important anyway? None of the apostles were white. Jesus wasn't white. None of the patriarchs were white. We're not God's chosen people, the Jews are. We aren't even allowed in that heavenly choir you yearn to join because we're not Jews.

Apartheid failed in implementing their policy—so there is a partial set back, which will be rectified :soon:

You hinting at a race war, or the imaginary divine intervention that'll happen right after God wilts the grass on the field of the 2010 World Cup?

 

[BStrong]

A black must marry a black and a white must marry a white, otherwise all whites will become extinct and everybody will become coloured.

Besides there will always be a tendency to force whites to comply with the black customs. You see, it is very dangerous for a black to deny their heritage, there is always fear of repercussion.
But most of all the plan of Satan, is to eliminate the whites as they are a threat to his plan to prevent God from setting up the Kingdom which will mean his defeat. Now if you took the time to view those articles about Zuma—then you should be able to see how deep rooted the traditions are.
Apartheid failed in implementing their policy—so there is a partial set back, which will be rectified :soon:

As long as you don't reproduce everybody should be OK.

Folks, the above is why I'd rather run around with happy pagans and not involve myself with the god squad. Scratch the surface and there are a high percentage of racists, sexists and homophobes hiding in the xtian tent.

 

[Paul Bethke]

From a debate / educational / evangelism point of view, it would be helpful and further advance your argument if you paraphrased that clarification or linked to the post where you originally wrote that clarification.

So what? Increased melanin in the general population will probably reduce skin cancer rates anyway. Desperately needing your descendants to be JUST LIKE YOU is narcissistic nonsense.
But then, I'm a white man who married a Jewish woman, so you probably consider me a race traitor anyway.

No, if anything I would consider your wife as the one who betrayed her heritage.

That's an irrational and unfounded conversion fear debunked by the very links you posted. People entering an interracial marriage are already triggering those social taboos. Making their white partner "act black" won't give them a pass on those social taboos.

There is a distinct difference between whites and blacks –look at all the failed unions that have occurred—Tiger Woods and the Simpson fella, here we have had a few. There is no way that we the whites can condescend to the level of the black culture.

Are you sure you're not Mormon? That's some grade a "white and delightsome" level "special snowflake race" nonsense right there. Why would whites be important anyway? None of the apostles were white. Jesus wasn't white. None of the patriarchs were white. We're not God's chosen people, the Jews are. We aren't even allowed in that heavenly choir you yearn to join because we're not Jews.

Jesus was a Hebrew and who said he was not white as the Jews in Israel are today?

They were not Arabs. We have the account that shows how the Hebrews viewed the Egyptians who were the descendants of Ham.

You hinting at a race war, or the imaginary divine intervention that'll happen right after God wilts the grass on the field of the 2010 World Cup?

The grass saga will be of little consequence compared to what will take place when the Almighty shows his hand.

You did read this -- http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume35/GOT035143.html

 

[abaddon]

No smoke just simple observation, based on documentaries, and association with blacks.
They are deeply rooted in their culture, which includes mediums and Sangomas, trying to contact the dead ancestors is one of their main beliefs, it also involves some gruesome practice like having body parts as a catalyst.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_healers_of_South_Africa----

Unlike the ritual canabilism that christianity indulges in. That isn't even vaguely freaky, right? Eating the actual flesh of a man has no consequences, right? After all, is it not said "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

They are no longer associated with paganism.
I do not celebrate these event other than to accept the fact that Jesus advent is of importance—today these events are only days for raucous events, but there are many who hallow these days and go to Church.
Easter—the Pass Over we acknowledge as the death of Jesus as the propitiation for sin.

Yup. Christianity dishonestly stole them. Glad you admit it.

As I said today these events are not paganism re-enacted. Christmas still carries the notion of the birth of Jesus, but it is a commercial opportunity.

Are you now stating that christianity is simply a commercial gouging exercise?

As I said, Christmas still carries the notion of the birth of Jesus, no matter what other people do.

The only people I can think of who routinely falsify their DOB are criminals.

Not false you are the one who is void of true knowledge, so you direct your inability to reason towards me.

https://www.google.co.za/search?

q=body+parts+for+sangomas&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=653&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjx7TWsYLOAhULBsAKHYVTA04Q_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=E3wa_8z2r3VrAM%3A
You can select each block for a detailed commentary—enjoy it.

Enjoy your borked link? Not really.

Now you are in a state of stupor---They are black we are white so there can be no marriage—we have the Torah to justify this stance. You cannot say that to marry a black is not against the purpose of God, we do not want to have a nation of coloureds—let the blacks marry blacks and the whites marry whites.

If a black man rapes a white virgin, are they not married?
If a white man rapes a black virgin, are they not married?
They are, according to you.

Lies, lies, lies, I gave you the evidence—you are not capable of seeing the truth.

Pointing out you nonsense claims is not a lie.

So you want all the whites to become black—but many blacks want to become white.
Mandela has no legacy—people want to make the terrorist into a hero.He is not a good example of a husband or a father, something that is of great importance in the economy of God.
No matter what you say, you have no idea of how blacks live, in abject fear of the ancestors approval, even though we know that the dead cannot contact the living—there is as is stated still 80% of blacks who still place a lot of hope in their ancestral communication.—-Now be a good boy and read these thigs that you so apply ignore
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zuma-calls-on-ancestors-1430377
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Zuma-brought-ancestors-wrath-clan-20121106
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/A...ors-will-turn-against-deserters-Zuma-20110512

Sweet spaghetti monster!

The repulsive race hate knows no end.

 

[Paul Bethke]

Unlike the ritual canabilism that christianity indulges in. That isn't even vaguely freaky, right? Eating the actual flesh of a man has no consequences, right? After all, is it not said "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

How come you get it all wrong—the symbols of bread and grape juice represent the dath of Jesus, so in remembering his death we partake of these symbols—they do not become his flech and blood—they symbolise, elementary!!

Yup. Christianity dishonestly stole them. Glad you admit it.
Are you now stating that christianity is simply a commercial gouging exercise?

Christianity is steeped in man-made traditions and customs—the 30k or 40k different denominations bear witness to this

The only people I can think of who routinely falsify their DOB are criminals.
Enjoy your borked link? Not really.

Technology doe sometimes not work so good—will try again.

https://www.google.co.za/search?q=b...KHYVTA04Q_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=T2aQOi9-a0SaZM:

It does work !!

If a black man rapes a white virgin, are they not married?
If a white man rapes a black virgin, are they not married?
They are, according to you.

Rape is rape, there is no discrepancy between people where justice is concerned.

Pointing out you nonsense claims is not a lie.
Sweet spaghetti monster!
The repulsive race hate knows no end.

Everything you do not agree with to you is a lie—so it is possible that you cannot recognise the truth!!

 

[Loss Leader]

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[Border Reiver]

No, if anything I would consider your wife as the one who betrayed her heritage.

Keep it classy.

There is a distinct difference between whites and blacks –look at all the failed unions that have occurred—Tiger Woods and the Simpson fella, here we have had a few. There is no way that we the whites can condescend to the level of the black culture.

Because no white person ever fooled around or killed someone? And then you wake up.

The Kingdom of Mali would be a real surprise to you then.

Jesus was a Hebrew and who said he was not white as the Jews in Israel are today?

Genetics. Jesus, and all the rest of your Biblical heroes were Semitic. Dark skin, dark eyes and hair.

They were not Arabs. We have the account that shows how the Hebrews viewed the Egyptians who were the descendants of Ham.

I believe the term the Hebrews used to refer to the Egyptians was "Master".[emoji13]

The grass saga will be of little consequence compared to what will take place when the Almighty shows his hand.

Will it include your punishment as a false prophet?

 

[halleyscomet]

No, if anything I would consider your wife as the one who betrayed her heritage

Well that's a refreshing change of pace. I have always joked to the racists that I was trading up. Still, the fact that you consider yourself inferior to Jews is unexpected, especially given how you kept claiming whites were oh so important to God's plan.

There is a distinct difference between whites and blacks –look at all the failed unions that have occurred—Tiger Woods and the Simpson fella, here we have had a few. There is no way that we the whites can condescend to the level of the black culture.

Seriously? A handful of shattered celebrity marriages constitute proof in your mind that interracial marriages are doomed?

I know a lot of people who are engaged in interracial relationships. For example, my wife has a friend she's known since she was six who is himself the product of an interracial marriage. He married a white woman. They have a lovely daughter who is now a teenager. They're together, happy, and look to be like they're going to be together till death do they part, hopefully decades upon decades from now.

I will concede that interracial combinations have a higher divorce rate than comparable marriages where the races match, but that has more to do with social pressure and stigma than anything inherently mismatched about the people involved.

http://madamenoire.com/432922/swirl-interracial-couples-america-numbers/

As for your claim that Jesus could've been as white as modern Jews of European extraction, that's ridiculous. Jesus was not from a genetic pool that had lived in Europe for thousands of years. Jesus was not white. Deal with it.

 

[halleyscomet]

The grass saga will be of little consequence compared to what will take place when the Almighty shows his hand.

A quick piece of advice. When your prophecies are known for a 100% failure rate, threatening that the next one's going to be REALLY big doesn't carry any weight. Nobody takes it seriously.

You did read this -- http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume35/GOT035143.html

Why do you keep bringing up native African religions as if it proved your point? I'm talking about interracial marriage where both parties are Christian. You keep posting links about people who are NOT Christian. All of this just a few pages after we established that the group of Christians that most closely adhere to the way you believe Christianity should be practiced is the Ethiopian Orthodox, a predominantly black denomination that originated in Africa as a result of Middle Eastern missionaries.

You are denying your daughter the right to marry someone who practices Christianity the way you claim it should be practiced.

You appear to be assuming that there's no such thing as a black Christian. You appear to be assuming that everyone who's black and says they're Christian is REALLY worshiping their ancestors. Is this impression the one you want to convey or is it the result of a lack of clarity on your part about what you actually believe regarding the nature of black Christians?

Do you believe blacks can be Christian in Africa?

 

[halleyscomet]

I believe the term the Hebrews used to refer to the Egyptians was "Master".[emoji13]

Only according to the Bible. Archeology tells a slightly different story.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4191

 

[Border Reiver]

Only according to the Bible. Archeology tells a slightly different story.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4191

Just poking a little fun at our bible-thumping racist.

 

[halleyscomet]

Just poking a little fun at our bible-thumping racist.

Well then, carry-on.

 

[Craig4]

Now of course we must put this in END time frame---first of all, it is stated that for a man to have sex with a man is detestable to Yahweh—(Lev_20:13 "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.)
.

Going back to a previous discussion where you said it was okay to let children die by drowning, if you saw a mob of stupid hicks throwing rocks at two men, would you call the police? I'm trying to understand the scope of your immorality.

 

[Jodie]

A black must marry a black and a white must marry a white, otherwise all whites will become extinct and everybody will become coloured.

Besides there will always be a tendency to force whites to comply with the black customs. You see, it is very dangerous for a black to deny their heritage, there is always fear of repercussion.
But most of all the plan of Satan, is to eliminate the whites as they are a threat to his plan to prevent God from setting up the Kingdom which will mean his defeat. Now if you took the time to view those articles about Zuma—then you should be able to see how deep rooted the traditions are.
Apartheid failed in implementing their policy—so there is a partial set back, which will be rectified :soon:

I don't think a real Christian would have said this. You do realize none of those people in the bible were white right?

To go back to what I said earlier about the Neanderthal and the Levant, some archaeologists believe that the Neanderthal were the Elohim referred to in the bible and that the Nephilim were Sapien/Neanderthal hybrids. Some argue that the word "giant" was mistranslated. There wasn't an exact match for the word so the those that translated the scriptures into Greek used what came closest, which was the word "giant".

That said, the Book of Enoch was removed from the protestant bible but remains in the Apochrphya. The Apochrphya includes 14 books that include the Septuagint and the Vulgate of the old testament but weren't considered canonical. My personal opinion is that the Book of Enoch was a myth derived from a memory of when two types of human beings inhabitated the earth. According to the very few references in the protestant bible, the Nephilim, or Sapien/Neanderthal hybrids, were an abomination.

If you accept this theory as a possibility then the racism that you are interpreting comes from those mythic stories of the "mighty men of yore". The caucasian/ asian races and the Jews have the highest percentage of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes. In that respect that would make you a descendant of those so called "mighty men of yore".

Moving forward with this in mind, Revelations state that the Nephilim will return in the end times so technically that would include you. If you look at the predominant 1st world countries that are superpowers, they are the USA what used to be Russia, and China. These countries are run by caucasians and asians. The majority of the capital in the world is owned by the Rothschilds, an old Jewish family, so that prophecy, according to your way of thinking, has been fulfilled. Evidently the Lord had an issue with the African version of man being corrupted by the Elohim/Neanderthal so if you continue to promote racism against black people then according to scripture your Lord will smite you. Your Lord might do it anyway because you are the degenerate version of his creation. You may want to re-evaluate your current stance on segregation before the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse blow their horns.

 

[Loss Leader]

Jesus was a Hebrew and who said he was not white as the Jews in Israel are today?

Well, genetics mostly. I'm an American Jew by way of untold years of Eastern European Jewry. My aunt recently took a DNA test and it came back with something around 10% European. How did that 10% get there? Jewish women were raped a whole lot. Somewhere in my past, a whole bunch of rape mixed European genes with my semitic ones.

Jesus didn't have that ancestry. He was very nearly genetically identical to today's native Arabs and was certainly genetically identical to today's few remaining native Jews.

 

[halleyscomet]

A black must marry a black and a white must marry a white, otherwise all whites will become extinct and everybody will become coloured.

Besides there will always be a tendency to force whites to comply with the black customs. You see, it is very dangerous for a black to deny their heritage, there is always fear of repercussion.
But most of all the plan of Satan, is to eliminate the whites as they are a threat to his plan to prevent God from setting up the Kingdom which will mean his defeat. Now if you took the time to view those articles about Zuma—then you should be able to see how deep rooted the traditions are.
Apartheid failed in implementing their policy—so there is a partial set back, which will be rectified :soon:

I don't think a real Christian would have said this. You do realize none of those people in the bible were white right?

To go back to what I said earlier about the Neanderthal and the Levant, some archaeologists believe that the Neanderthal were the Elohim referred to in the bible and that the Nephilim were Sapien/Neanderthal hybrids. Some argue that the word "giant" was mistranslated. There wasn't an exact match for the word so the those that translated the scriptures into Greek used what came closest, which was the word "giant".

That said, the Book of Enoch was removed from the protestant bible but remains in the Apochrphya. The Apochrphya includes 14 books that include the Septuagint and the Vulgate of the old testament but weren't considered canonical. My personal opinion is that the Book of Enoch was a myth derived from a memory of when two types of human beings inhabitated the earth. According to the very few references in the protestant bible, the Nephilim, or Sapien/Neanderthal hybrids, were an abomination.

If you accept this theory as a possibility then the racism that you are interpreting comes from those mythic stories of the "mighty men of yore". The caucasian/ asian races and the Jews have the highest percentage of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes. In that respect that would make you a descendant of those so called "mighty men of yore".

Moving forward with this in mind, Revelations state that the Nephilim will return in the end times so technically that would include you. If you look at the predominant 1st world countries that are superpowers, they are the USA what used to be Russia, and China. These countries are run by caucasians and asians. The majority of the capital in the world is owned by the Rothschilds, an old Jewish family, so that prophecy, according to your way of thinking, has been fulfilled. Evidently the Lord had an issue with the African version of man being corrupted by the Elohim/Neanderthal so if you continue to promote racism against black people then according to scripture your Lord will smite you. Your Lord might do it anyway because you are the degenerate version of his creation. You may want to re-evaluate your current stance on segregation before the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse blow their horns.

You know, depending on when the last pole reversal happened the descendants of Ham who went "South" could very well be Europeans...

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

My God, WHITE PEOPLE are the cursed descendants of Ham! That's why God chose the Jews as his chosen people and not a white group. Pole reversal proves it!

 

[Foster Zygote]

There is a distinct difference between whites and blacks –look at all the failed unions that have occurred—Tiger Woods and the Simpson fella, here we have had a few. There is no way that we the whites can condescend to the level of the black culture.

And we all know that white marriages never fail, right Paul?

And celebrity marriages are especially known for their rock-solid stability.

 

[Paul Bethke]

Keep it classy.
Because no white person ever fooled around or killed someone? And then you wake up.
The Kingdom of Mali would be a real surprise to you then.
Genetics. Jesus, and all the rest of your Biblical heroes were Semitic. Dark skin, dark eyes and hair.
I believe the term the Hebrews used to refer to the Egyptians was "Master".[emoji13]
Will it include your punishment as a false prophet?

You like the rest get it all wrong—I cannot be false when I declare the Scriptures in their context.
But I do see myself in a way directing the wrath of God.

I am not saying all whites are not guilty of atrocities—there is not a nation who has not conquered another nation and taken their land, what I am on about is the Africans in Africa, I do not want to mix with them and their culture, as it is in opposition to the injunctions of the Torah.

Well the Jews of today are of a lighter skin.
They the Egyptian were only called master until the Exodus—then they were called-The horse and its rider he has hurled into the sea." So the tables were turned.
But then you do not believe these account, do you?