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What will happen at the Republican Convention?

What will happen at the Republican Convenyion?

  • Cruz will be the nominee

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Kasich will be the nominee

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Rubio will be the nominee

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trump will be the nominee

    Votes: 28 43.8%
  • Someone else will be the nominee

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • The four horsemen of the apocalypse will storm the convention and all hell will break loose.

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
More irony...

You can call it satire but if someone dares call Hillary "shrill:" Sexist!

Look. I won't defend the plagiarism; that was blatant and stupid. But I thought women could be beautiful while still maintaining the right to be a human being. I guess I was wrong.

I'm the person who wrote the post you're criticizing. Trust me, it was a satire of Fox News' Fan Base and their preoccupation with cleavage, upskirt shots and whether newscasters or subject matter are "hawt".

So, yeah... you were wrong because you're tone deaf and need little smilies to impart contextual meaning.
 
Then you missed the actual issue which was not that Melania used plagiarized material or that Donnie Jr had a speechwriter that reused material.

The issue is, these are all indicators of a really poorly run campaign, they are indicators of incompetence which is a direct reflection on Trump himself.

Fair enough. Frankly, I think their big mistake was not hanging the speech writer out to dry. The lunacy IMV is that it is beyond obvious that it was plagiarized. Why wouldn't they hang this guy/girl who did this? You don't deny the obvious. That is stupid. I don't believe in a million years that Melania wrote the speech even though she claimed to.

What they should have done was said, "we hired the wrong speechwriter to help, we trusted someone we shouldn't have. And that person was fired."

I agree with you that they have run an inept campaign. But they will flip that and say ..."People keep saying things like that and yet here we are running neck and neck" We beat an entire field of so called "professional politicians" to get here.
My point is this won't register with most people as significant. I also think the email scandal and Ben Gazzi won't register with them either in 4 months. Things fade and these little details are not likely to make much difference to voters come November. On a a scale of importance from 1 to 100, in voters minds this is maybe a 1.
 
Fair enough. Frankly, I think their big mistake was not hanging the speech writer out to dry. The lunacy IMV is that it is beyond obvious that it was plagiarized. Why wouldn't they hang this guy/girl who did this? You don't deny the obvious. That is stupid. I don't believe in a million years that Melania wrote the speech even though she claimed to.

What they should have done was said, "we hired the wrong speechwriter to help, we trusted someone we shouldn't have. And that person was fired.

I agree with you that they have run an inept campaign. But they will flip that and say ..."People keep saying things like that and yet here we are running neck and neck" We beat an entire field of so called "professional politicians" to get here.
My point is this won't register with most people as significant. I also think the email scandal and Ben Gazzi won't register with them either in 4 months. Things fade and these little details are not likely to make much difference to voters come November. On a a scale of importance from 1 to 100, in voters minds this is maybe a 1.
Melania was given a speech that didn't include parts from Michelle's. Then she took it and changed it to be more authentic. By plagiarizing Michelle, apparently.

And really, it makes more sense that way. It is hard to believe that a speech writer could be so stupid as to do that. But Donald's trophy wife? Makes way more sense that she would think it isn't a big deal and that nobody would notice.
 
Fair enough. Frankly, I think their big mistake was not hanging the speech writer out to dry. The lunacy IMV is that it is beyond obvious that it was plagiarized. Why wouldn't they hang this guy/girl who did this? You don't deny the obvious. That is stupid. I don't believe in a million years that Melania wrote the speech even though she claimed to.

What they should have done was said, "we hired the wrong speechwriter to help, we trusted someone we shouldn't have. And that person was fired."

I agree with you that they have run an inept campaign. But they will flip that and say ..."People keep saying things like that and yet here we are running neck and neck" We beat an entire field of so called "professional politicians" to get here.
My point is this won't register with most people as significant. I also think the email scandal and Ben Gazzi won't register with them either in 4 months. Things fade and these little details are not likely to make much difference to voters come November. On a a scale of importance from 1 to 100, in voters minds this is maybe a 1.

Tony Stark already posted this a few posts ago, but the reason they can't "hang the speech writer out to dry" appears to be this:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/reports-melania-added-plagiarism-on-revision.html

But on Tuesday night, a more convincing explanation is coming into view. NBC News has obtained a copy of the original speech prepared for Mrs. Trump, as written by veteran speechwriters Matthew Scully and John McConnell (the scribes provided corroborating emails). According to the network, the first draft did not include any recycled Michelle material.

But Melania was reportedly “uncomfortable” with that text, and set about drastically rewriting it, to make it more her own – and ended up making it, transparently, someone else’s.

Per, the New York Times:

It was Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and top adviser, who commissioned the speech from Mr. Scully and Mr. McConnell — and praised their draft. But Ms. Trump decided to revise it, and at one point she turned to a trusted hand: Meredith McIver, a New York City-based former ballet dancer and English major who has worked on some of Mr. Trump’s books, including “Think Like a Billionaire.” It was not clear how much of a hand Ms. McIver had in the final product, and she did not respond to an email on Tuesday.

Research for the speech, it seems, drew them to the previous convention speeches delivered by candidates’ spouses.

From the Times’ report, it’s not totally clear whether their sources have specific evidence for McIver’s involvement in the fatal error. But NBC names another individual who dropped the ball:

The campaign repeatedly refused to identify who, if anyone, helped her craft the speech, though multiple sources told NBC News that Rick Gates, a top aide and ally of Manafort, signed off on the final text.

Let it burn.
(Followed by image of dumpster fire)
 
Fair enough. Frankly, I think their big mistake was not hanging the speech writer out to dry. The lunacy IMV is that it is beyond obvious that it was plagiarized. Why wouldn't they hang this guy/girl who did this? You don't deny the obvious. That is stupid. I don't believe in a million years that Melania wrote the speech even though she claimed to.

What they should have done was said, "we hired the wrong speechwriter to help, we trusted someone we shouldn't have. And that person was fired."

I agree with you that they have run an inept campaign. But they will flip that and say ..."People keep saying things like that and yet here we are running neck and neck" We beat an entire field of so called "professional politicians" to get here.
My point is this won't register with most people as significant. I also think the email scandal and Ben Gazzi won't register with them either in 4 months. Things fade and these little details are not likely to make much difference to voters come November. On a a scale of importance from 1 to 100, in voters minds this is maybe a 1.

If NY Mag sources are to be trusted, they can't hang the speechwriter out to dry because it was, after all, Melanija and her personal advisor who changed the text and included Michelle's words.

In the business world, political world and the military, what you do is kick it upstairs and fire the person in charge. But that was Gates, Mantafort's buddy and top aide. Mantafort isn't about to fire him, so he's going with the Democratic Conspiracy angle.

Should Trump U add a course in Personnel Logistics, A Case Study in Failure? Mantafort's a prime example of the adage "you get what you pay for". He's earning every penny of his salary. :p
 
Tony Stark already posted this a few posts ago, but the reason they can't "hang the speech writer out to dry" appears to be this:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/reports-melania-added-plagiarism-on-revision.html

(Followed by image of dumpster fire)

Fascinating, I missed that. Still, I would make my statement then without naming names. I also don't think you can blame Gates for signing off on the speech as there really isn't reason to know it was lifted from elsewhere.
 
The larger picture, which several are alluding to, is the more lasting one.

As Donald has to trot out his loyal lap dogs and grudging apologists every few hours, he's leaving an overall impression of complete incompetence.

The "humanizing" memories/anecdotes could have worked, except none of them come up with anything saying, "... and I'll never forget when Donald/Dad looked at me and said...." Probably because they have no such memories. I'll bet if you ask Junior for his fondest memories of childhood it'd be something like "when I got my first set of custom irons", not "dad coming to my homecoming game".

The Melanija debacle is just good theater. What it says to the average viewer is "Here's a bunch of moneybags trying to manipulate us with heartwarming stories, but they don't have them so make up lies."

Wanna bet there's an internet search right now by the folks at the Washington Post, HuffPo and NY Magazine/Intelligencer? They are looking for the actual Vinnie, or for someone who will report that there was no such person. If Trump's people have any brains, he's real and they've got him locked away to spring on the Dems if they dare question the story.
 
Fascinating, I missed that. Still, I would make my statement then without naming names. I also don't think you can blame Gates for signing off on the speech as there really isn't reason to know it was lifted from elsewhere.

Huh? That's his job. He was tasked with the entire Melanija performance. The buck has to stop somewhere. He signed off on the speech. In any organization, that means he took responsibility for it. He has no choice, he was responsible; it's in the job description.
 
Huh? That's his job. He was tasked with the entire Melanija performance. The buck has to stop somewhere. He signed off on the speech. In any organization, that means he took responsibility for it. He has no choice, he was responsible; it's in the job description.
Yes but firing him for signing off on the speech would be an admission that Melania plagiarized Michelle. So they would rather lie and claim it wasn't plagiarized at all.
 
Fascinating, I missed that. Still, I would make my statement then without naming names. I also don't think you can blame Gates for signing off on the speech as there really isn't reason to know it was lifted from elsewhere.

Just had this crazy image in my head of Trump doing his "You're fired!" thing, except to Melania. (TBH, I've never seen a single episode of The Apprentice so I don't know exactly how he does it, just imagining it). :roll:
 
The larger picture, which several are alluding to, is the more lasting one.

As Donald has to trot out his loyal lap dogs and grudging apologists every few hours, he's leaving an overall impression of complete incompetence.

The "humanizing" memories/anecdotes could have worked, except none of them come up with anything saying, "... and I'll never forget when Donald/Dad looked at me and said...." Probably because they have no such memories. I'll bet if you ask Junior for his fondest memories of childhood it'd be something like "when I got my first set of custom irons", not "dad coming to my homecoming game".

The Melanija debacle is just good theater. What it says to the average viewer is "Here's a bunch of moneybags trying to manipulate us with heartwarming stories, but they don't have them so make up lies."

Wanna bet there's an internet search right now by the folks at the Washington Post, HuffPo and NY Magazine/Intelligencer? They are looking for the actual Vinnie, or for someone who will report that there was no such person. If Trump's people have any brains, he's real and they've got him locked away to spring on the Dems if they dare question the story.

I would hope that all of that would register at least subconsciously with people, but there is a huge problem in pointing some of this out to voters. It's the kind of mistake I think Republicans make all the time. We appear too partisan when this is the stuff we are mentioning. It registers with us so it must register with others...No, very few people are viewing the race in this type of detail.

It's good for maybe a negative news cycle, but little else.
 
I would hope that all of that would register at least subconsciously with people, but there is a huge problem in pointing some of this out to voters. It's the kind of mistake I think Republicans make all the time. We appear too partisan when this is the stuff we are mentioning. It registers with us so it must register with others...No, very few people are viewing the race in this type of detail.

It's good for maybe a negative news cycle, but little else.
It won't make any difference in the result but Trump was furious about the whole thing and it made his campaign look stupid and incompetent - especially with the ridiculous lies. So I'm happy it happened.
 
Huh? That's his job. He was tasked with the entire Melanija performance. The buck has to stop somewhere. He signed off on the speech. In any organization, that means he took responsibility for it. He has no choice, he was responsible; it's in the job description.

I disagree. He read the speech and it sounded fine.. Nobody expects the boss to have a memory of other speeches.
 
It won't make any difference in the result but Trump was furious about the whole thing and it made his campaign look stupid and incompetent - especially with the ridiculous lies. So I'm happy it happened.

Trump should be furious. And I'm happy too.
 
Again, as has been mentioned previously, this petty plagiarism thing per se is all a distraction from how shockingly bad (or laughingly bad, if you are a cynic like me) the RNC is being run. There's all sorts of problems, big and small. It's been a complete litany of stuff-ups, mistakes, misplaced footings and utter incompetency. The major one being the nomination of Trump without even mentioning any policies of any sort yet.

The worst is that all the speechifying so far is a bunch of unhinged lunatics lining up to shout about Hillary. On planet Trump, that makes it a bunch of free nationwide advertising and brand awareness for Clinton, not Trump. This courtesy of the utter ineptitude of the GOP organisers...or maybe it's deliberate after all...!! ;)

I'm getting the impression that from now on the only reason people will tune in at all is to see if they manage to burn the frigging stadium to the ground totally by accident, for example by some Trumpite putting hydrogen instead of helium on the celebratory balloons. Or by throwing in some celebratory fireworks and all the gun-carriers draw and fire everywhere at (imagined) terrorists thus making themselves targets in turn, creating a firearms nuclear reaction.



I honestly hope that no-one actually gets hurt. But it is sure heading that way.
 
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Maybe the Gates dude just knows too much dirt from the campaign and it isn't worth the risk sacking him and pissing him off
 

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