If anything that above statement is even clearer, where you are saying that even in the case of cancer "there has been evidence of people recovering while ever they believed that a drug or dummy drug, given to them, will make them well."
That is frankly such a dangerously uneducated and crazed claim, that people making claims like that should be prevented by law from going around telling vulnerable sick people such things. In fact, in the UK (where I am) I expect there are laws to stop people advising others with serious illness that all they need to do is "BELIEVE".
Here this is the case. “Dr Bruno Klopfer, a physiologist, Cured Cancer”
I couldn’t find the scientific paper that I had seen earlier, but it is mentioned here, but for money.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/placebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind/
Wikipedia mentions it in Works by Klopfer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Klopfer in a note only and has no page on this matter.
“ Klopfer, B., "Psychological Variables in Human Cancer", Journal of Projective Techniques, Vol.21, No.4, (December 1957), pp. 331–340. (This paper is also significant because it contains an account of the impact of the treatment of a lymphosarcoma upon Mr. Wright, a patient of one of Klopfer's colleagues (Dr. Philip West) with a bogus medicine, "Krebiozen'". Klopfer's account of Wright's progress is often referred to in the cancer literature, but the actual reference is seldom cited.)”
There are
also over
3500 case studies published in the medical literature about people, who experienced spontaneous remissions.
http://library.noetic.org/library/publication-bibliographies/spontaneous-remission
And you can see this here too where Dr Lissa Rankin MD here in promoting her book “Mind over Medicine”
http://lissarankin.com/9-key-factors-affecting-radical-remission-from-cancer and half way down this page or so
she mentions outright faith healing cure for cancer. A Brazilian healer, John of God cured many and among them he healed a guy of his brain cancer. “MRI confirmed that he had been cured”.
No need to pay for the Scientific American article of the Dr Bruno Klopfer’s case study as there is a guy, who records it accurately in his blog here:
http://www.virsmai.com/blog/placebo-effect
Basically this case is about an advanced cancer patient they are calling “Mr. Wright” was not accepted in the drug trial because he had very late stage cancer. Mr Wright believed that the drug being tested in the drug trial, called "Krebiozen", would cure him. Because of this belief his doctor, who was involved in the drug trial obtained the drug and treated him with it. The doctor was amazed to see a total cure In his patient. All his tumours had gone away. The drug trial results were not good and the news was that the drug did not cure cancer.
When the patient heard this soon his tumors returned. The doctor then thought to use a placebo effect and said that he had been able to obtain a better, advanced version of the drug. The patient agreed to be treated but the doctor injects his patient with a small amount of distilled water. And again was amazed to find that his patient’s tumors again all disappeared. But some months later the patient again heard that the final research results said that the drug was no good for treating cancer. This time the tumors return and the patient died. And from the original article that I had read the doctors couldn’t understand why he died because at autopsy they found cancer but not enough to have even made him sick let alone kill him.
THE DANGEROUS AND INDEED CRAZED CLAIM is an iatrogenic claim. Doctors betray patients with a false belief that cancer is about rogue cells out of control. This GARBAGE disempowers the patient and makes them feel helpless and in desperate need to have the problem fixed for them. It puts the doctors in the driver’s seat to do whatever, carve, poison, burn etc. THAT IS DANGEROUS. Childhood cancer treatments they claim are the great success stories but fail to say that the children they treat end up with serious mental and physical disabilities and become patients for the rest of their live. BOO!
In reality
the patient is in control of his or her cancer because their body generates the cancer and their body can clear it away. The medical industry brands placebo as unethical treatment and doctors who would give their patients placebo as betraying their patients. They regards doctors, like Dr. Klopfer, as administering a fraudulent treatment.
And from your remark “people making claims like that should be prevented by law from going around telling vulnerable sick people such things” I gather
you believe in a police state, the New World Order rubbish.
Were the UK doctor disciplined or struck off the register for telling there patients to pray AS WELL AS TREATMENT or INSTEAD OF TREATMENT. I’ll bet it was the former. Incredible that you hold such totalitarian ideas. I would have thought, living on the home turf of David Icke, you might be more enlightened! Maybe you would like to see the reptilians take over.
The arguments made against the physician Dr. Klopfer’s cases firstly is that it is a single case. Of course since it involves a doctor it can’t be just thrown out as anecdotal, so it is called “a case study”. It is not sufficient evidence because it needs a large study to show statistical significance but it was also NOT FOLLOWED UP! No study was done. It was just discarded.
Many doctors have also disputed any causality between the regression of the cancer to the placebo effect not its return to a nocebo effect. And they even discard the fact that there was a relapse which was also successfully treated. The claim made that “it only felt that way” and that “humans are prone to find mystical explanations to anything unusual”, which of course is the usual garbage that suits them because they need cancer patients for there to be a cancer industry to make money.
This is disadvantaging vulnerable people!
This case had nothing to do with “erroneously trusting our gut feeling” and everything to do with a spectacular result BASED ON BELIEF and nothing else. But of course they can’t do a clinical trial on this because they would need to find patients, who have a patient -dependent and strong belief that some drug will make them well. They might be able to find them but it doesn’t pay to even contemplate them, let alone try and find them.
Some doctors have criticized the article saying that the claim that the patient got well due to a drug in the first case and distilled water in the second case is unjustified. The reason they give is: “we see tumours regress and then grow back sometimes” and for what they claim are “unexplained reasons”. On this basis they dismiss the single case and reject the fact that there is a placebo effect that was clearly seen and of course all the 3,500 cases that have been published in those prestigious medical journals. There is NO evidence for their claims and there is good evidence for the placebo effect in this case AND in the 3,500 published ones. It was not simple faith healing because it was not the doctor’s suggestion that formed the patient’s belief. It was the patient’s initiative to ask the doctor to be treated with the drug, which the patient believed would make him well.
The truth though is different. This patient stopped reacting as to grow cancers because HE BELIEVED THAT HE HAD A DIFFERENT METHOD OF DEALING WITH THE PROBLEM, i.e., A DRUG. His body simply stopped reacting as it had been doing and cleaned up. This is the nuts and bolts of the placebo effect. It is about faith healing, but has nothing to do with religion. However the same is true for someone who fervently believes that God will cure them if they ask for a cure in prayer. It is not the prayer that cures them (just like it was not the drug that cured Dr Klopfer’s patient). Rather it is the patient’s belief that their problem, the health issue they face, is solved. If their belief is weak, then no amount of prayer or drug is going to heal them.
A placebo effect is not faith healing in the religious sense but it is in a sense faith healing because it is based on a belief and some people equate that to “faith”. What I am talking about is NOT FAITH HEALING in any sense.
but there has been evidence of people recovering while ever they believed that a drug or dummy drug, given to them, will make them well. Once they began to believe it wouldn't work or heard that it wouldn't work from some authority figure, such as another doctor, the placebo failed.