Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread II

[Foolmewunz]

There's no evidence of that. The evidence is to the contrary: from March 15th, to May 15th, Clinton was thrashing Trump: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Then the race tightened for a week and Clinton pulled ahead again for another month.
There have been only 3 or so dates where the RCP average showed a really close race. Otherwise Clinton has been consistently leading by 3-7 points.

From March to May RCP was busy making the primaries seem close. There's only one show left in town, now.

You don't have to believe me. Just watch the polls. Check which ones they include and exclude, check the timeframes they apply to different states. It isn't ever race in every state but it happens fairly often. RCP are a fine barometer because of their averaging. But they do tend to inexplicably drop some data or add some from time to time.

 

[acbytesla]

From March to May RCP was busy making the primaries seem close. There's only one show left in town, now.

You don't have to believe me. Just watch the polls. Check which ones they include and exclude, check the timeframes they apply to different states. It isn't ever race in every state but it happens fairly often. RCP are a fine barometer because of their averaging. But they do tend to inexplicably drop some data or add some from time to time.

That's OK by me. I want this election to feel close. I want people to be scared to death that if they miss voting they could wake up tomorrow with the crazy orange buffoon as President. Because if people think it's a lock, they just might not turn out. One only look at Ted Cruz's elections in Texas primaries to see what happens when people don't show up.

 

[Fudbucker]

From March to May RCP was busy making the primaries seem close. There's only one show left in town, now.

You don't have to believe me. Just watch the polls. Check which ones they include and exclude, check the timeframes they apply to different states. It isn't ever race in every state but it happens fairly often. RCP are a fine barometer because of their averaging. But they do tend to inexplicably drop some data or add some from time to time.

The disparity between Clinton and Sanders was even more lopsided: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

"Jilted progressive Democrats who helped lead Elizabeth Warren to victory in 2012 are now accusing the Bay State senator of selling out and betraying their cause by endorsing Hillary Clinton.

“I feel like she’s turned her back on the American people,” said Laurie Cestnick, the organizer of Occupy DNC, which plans protests in Philadelphia later this month in support of a Bernie Sanders nomination. “We’re devastated — totally devastated. This has been really hard, almost like a death, because we believed she was a true progressive. ... I have defended her from day one that she would never go to the Hillary side.”

Reference:
Defiant Democrats call Senator Warren a sellout for backing Hillary Clinton (July 13, 2016)

#OccupyDNC
#Fauxcahontas
#SellOutSanders

 

[Stacko]

S&A is a Trumpkin not a Bernie supporter.

 

[Maya22]

S&A is a Trumpkin not a Bernie supporter.

I thought that he was chill with Jill.

 

[wareyin]

I thought that he was chill with Jill.

There are quite a few Republicans, even on this board, who have pretended to support Sanders, or Stein, in order to sow discord among Democrats.

 

[Maya22]

There are quite a few Republicans, even on this board, who have pretended to support Sanders, or Stein, in order to sow discord among Democrats.

I see...

In that case, Gary Johnson is a hottie!

 

[Tony Stark]

I knew that a bunch of crazed Bernie Bro dumbasses would turn on Bernie himself.

After successfully moving the party to the left, he should have instead endorsed Jill Stein (or maybe take her up on the offer to take the lead on the Green ticket) and thus help Donald Trump be elected the President of the United States?

What a joke those people are.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I knew that a bunch of crazed Bernie Bro dumbasses would turn on Bernie himself.

After successfully moving the party to the left, he should have instead endorsed Jill Stein (or maybe take her up on the offer to take the lead on the Green ticket) and thus help Donald Trump be elected the President of the United States?

What a joke those people are.

The most noise is coming from the traditional fuzzies on the far left. They've also taken to "exposing" Elizabeth Warren as the Wall Street shill that she really is. My buddies on the left have as many litmus tests as the Bircher-Tea Party crazies do on the right. To these people, purity of political thought is the only important thing. There's no middle ground. Like the reactionaries, it's "You're either with us or you're against us."

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Second, Hillary is right, single payer is not an achievable goal in the US. Even if by some miracle Bernie Sanders becomes President, he would definitely not be able to make it happen.

Why?

Third of all the purity test BS distracts from the real enemy: the GOP scum who are unanimously against universal coverage and have tried literally dozens of times to take away healthcare from millions of people. If it wasn't for the fact that Obama vetoed their disgusting bill, they would have succeeded too. Similarly, there is literally zero doubt whatsoever that Hillary would veto the GOP's evil attempts to take away healthcare from millions of people. But heh, let's get caught up in retarded purity test BS and help make a racist conman who probably would sign the bill the President of the United States. Makes perfect sense!

"Purity tests are stupid. We must reject the GOP, because they fail my purity test."

Trump has made it clear that his healthcare plan wouldn't have people "dying in the street" because they couldn't afford it, so even he is in favor of universal healthcare.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

After successfully moving the party to the left, he should have instead endorsed Jill Stein (or maybe take her up on the offer to take the lead on the Green ticket) and thus help Donald Trump be elected the President of the United States?

Anybody who is not with Hillary is with Trump. You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists! Yeesh, I'm glad that, slowly, more and more of the electorate is moving away from this nonsense.

The only way the Democrat Party will move to the left is if they're afraid of losing votes.

There are quite a few Republicans, even on this board, who have pretended to support Sanders, or Stein, in order to sow discord among Democrats.

I believe, in psychology, they call this "projecting".

 

[Foolmewunz]

Why?



"Purity tests are stupid. We must reject the GOP, because they fail my purity test."

Trump has made it clear that his healthcare plan wouldn't have people "dying in the street" because they couldn't afford it, so even he is in favor of universal healthcare.

Failed attempt at cleverness. You well know what a "purity test" or "litmus test" means in the context of party politics. The objections to the GOP and specifically to Trump have a litany of reasons behind them, not a single hot button item.

 

[d4m10n]

The only way the Democrat Party will move to the left is if they're afraid of losing votes.

The reverse doesn't appear to be true of the Republic Party.


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[Axiom_Blade]

The reverse doesn't appear to be true of the Republic Party.

Why?

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[Axiom_Blade]

Failed attempt at cleverness. You well know what a "purity test" or "litmus test" means in the context of party politics. The objections to the GOP and specifically to Trump have a litany of reasons behind them, not a single hot button item.

So do the objections to Hillary and the Democrats.

 

[Tony Stark]

Why?

Because the low life garbage in the GOP are unanimously against universal healthcare in any fashion.

"Purity tests are stupid. We must reject the GOP, because they fail my purity test."

We must reject the GOP because they are worthless scum who openly say they want to hurt millions of people.

Trump has made it clear that his healthcare plan wouldn't have people "dying in the street" because they couldn't afford it, so even he is in favor of universal healthcare.

Trump has made it clear he is lying piece of garbage who will say anything. Fact of the matter is that there is no healthcare plan that the Republicans can come up with that more in line with their disgusting ideology than what we have now and doesn't result in millions of people losing their coverage. That's why they, despite having six years to do so have been completely unable to present such a plan.

 

[Tony Stark]

Anybody who is not with Hillary is with Trump. You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists! Yeesh, I'm glad that, slowly, more and more of the electorate is moving away from this nonsense.

The only way the Democrat Party will move to the left is if they're afraid of losing votes.



I believe, in psychology, they call this "projecting".

The fact of the matter is that the only thing crazed Bernie Bro dumbasses who refuse to vote for Hillary might collectively "accomplish" is helping to put Donald Trump in the White House. It remains a fact no matter how much you wish to deny it.

 

[d4m10n]

Why?

Because it's not a real party.



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[Axiom_Blade]

Because the low life garbage in the GOP are unanimously against universal healthcare in any fashion.

Disagree. Obamacare was even a creation of the GOP. It used to be called "Romneycare".

We must reject the GOP because they are worthless scum who openly say they want to hurt millions of people.

Hhmmm. I don't doubt you, but could you point me in the direction of something specific?

Trump has made it clear he is lying piece of garbage who will say anything.

Right. Trump "can't be trusted", because he keeps changing his position. Hillary "can't be trusted" for the same reason. They both will say anything to get elected. I find it interesting that Democrats can slam Trump for changing his positions so much, but when Hillary does it she is "evolving".

I don't see any reason to believe that Trump is lying here, though. During the debates, he distinguished himself from the other candidates by taking a left-leaning position on health care. He's a populist, and his supporters would be very upset if they lost their coverage. The argument is not over whether or not there should be universal healthcare, it's over how it should be implemented. I think Trump's plan is bad, but I don't see any reason to think that Hillary's is any better. Any plan that keeps insurance companies involved is going to be a failure.

The fact of the matter is that the only thing crazed Bernie Bro dumbasses who refuse to vote for Hillary might collectively "accomplish" is helping to put Donald Trump in the White House. It remains a fact no matter how much you wish to deny it.

Oh well, then. The Democrats dug their grave by nominating Hillary. They knew she was unpopular. They knew she was under investigation by the FBI. If you nominate an unpopular candidate, you're gonna lose. That's how politics works.

If they wanted my vote, they should've nominated Bernie. Why is this so hard to understand?