Official - Michael Jackson was scum

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Jimmy Saville didn't "seem weird", so he got away with it.

I can only assume from this statement that you're wholly unfamiliar with Jimmy Saville. I don't think anybody was surprised by the accusations against him.

Saville got away with it because he had powerful friends, up to and including royalty.

 

[DragonLady]

I don't think anybody was surprised by the accusations against him.

I dunno; but I knew someone who claimed to know him, and he was not only surprised, but flat refused to believe it. I don't know if anything ever convinced him.

Not being familiar enough with the allegations or the evidence, I have no real opinion either way.

 

[DragonLady]

I should say: I find it mighty convenient when these kinds of allegations are brought against a person who has passed away and cannot defend themselves.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

As far as the actual topic of the thread goes, I don't know whether or not Jackson was a paedophile. I don't know enough about the psychology of paedophiles or Jackson himself to make that kind of assessment.

I will say, however, that you would expect a man of his power, money and influence to be able to acquire more than one single book of art, if he wanted to get his hands on child pornography.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

In their bedroom?

2 men were arrested outside pop star Joss Stone's home. In their car were swords, a map to her house, rope, and a body bag.

So yeah, there are people who have tried to harm pop stars within their own homes.

 

[Checkmite]

I will say, however, that you would expect a man of his power, money and influence to be able to acquire more than one single book of art, if he wanted to get his hands on child pornography.

Two.

 

[Ammonitida]

I should say: I find it mighty convenient when these kinds of allegations are brought against a person who has passed away and cannot defend themselves.

These allegations are weak as hell. A few artistic magazines that depict a few naked children in non-pornographic ways are being treated as equivalents to hardcore child porn. They completely ignore the fact that the actual porn found at his home involved women -- confirming that he was a adult-oriented heterosexual man.

Even in death, this guy can't find any piece.

 

[Ammonitida]

Two.

Well, that settles it. Two artistic mags with SOME naked children. Let's just ignore his hardcore porn stash that depicted women mostly and adults ONLY. Or just engage in mental gymnastics by claiming that this porn was just collected to lure young boys! If the pieces don't fit, let's force them together!

 

[quadraginta]

I will say, however, that you would expect a man of his power, money and influence to be able to acquire more than one single book of art, if he wanted to get his hands on child pornography.

Two.

Yeah.

That second one probably broke the bank.

 

[Checkmite]

Yeah.

That second one probably broke the bank.

Maybe, maybe not. Probably a better point to make would be that "We should expect a pedophile with Michael Jackson's wealth and power to have more than just a couple of art books to use for child pornography" is a specious argument. Firstly because it's known that wealth and power have nothing to do with child porn; the material has been found in vast quantities on the computers of people of every economic class; other highly prominent known pedophiles have not been found to have any such material in their possession, so far as authorities were able to determine. An example (who keeps coming up in this thread, because the cases are so similar) would be Jerry Sandusky. Of course, Jerry Sandusky had near-continuous direct access to children; as did Michael Jackson.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Maybe, maybe not. Probably a better point to make would be that "We should expect a pedophile with Michael Jackson's wealth and power to have more than just a couple of art books to use for child pornography" is a specious argument. Firstly because it's known that wealth and power have nothing to do with child porn; the material has been found in vast quantities on the computers of people of every economic class; other highly prominent known pedophiles have not been found to have any such material in their possession, so far as authorities were able to determine. An example (who keeps coming up in this thread, because the cases are so similar) would be Jerry Sandusky. Of course, Jerry Sandusky had near-continuous direct access to children; as did Michael Jackson.

I think you misunderstood what I meant.

Perhaps if I rephrase it thusly: "we should expect a paedophile who is also wealthy and powerful to have more than just a couple of art books to use for child pornography, if s/he were indeed collecting child pornography". The point being that these two books being in amongst the many books that Jackson owned is not terribly good evidence that he was a paedophile, or that he wanted to own child pornography.

 

[Checkmite]

The point being that these two books being in amongst the many books that Jackson owned is not terribly good evidence that he was a paedophile, or that he wanted to own child pornography.

By themselves, not at all.

 

[Belz...]

As far as the actual topic of the thread goes, I don't know whether or not Jackson was a paedophile. I don't know enough about the psychology of paedophiles or Jackson himself to make that kind of assessment.

Same here. But no worry, there are plenty of people here who can pass judgment regardless.

 

[John Nowak]

Dude slept in bed with strangers pre-teen kids

But apparently it's ok because he was just quirky and boyish

Can you link to someone on this thread who stated "it's okay?"

My impression is that nobody's "okay" with that; at the most they've pointed out that it's not actually illegal.

 

[bruto]

I got to thinking and figured I'd better check my own collection for child pornography too. Uh oh! NSFW image, don't open, no no.

I TOLD you not to open it, you pervy scum!

 

[a_unique_person]

Yes, he was a paedophile.


Now that Netflix has opened up the topic again past accusers are wanting to be heard.

 

[applecorped]

Beat it

 

[Matthew Best]

Now that Netflix has opened up the topic again past accusers are wanting to be heard.

You mean HBO?

 

[Sideroxylon]

I should say: I find it mighty convenient when these kinds of allegations are brought against a person who has passed away and cannot defend themselves.

 

[dudalb]

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And this was one of the more "rational" responses from the Jackson fans to "Leaving Neverland". A lot of them are going the full blown conspiracy route, that there is some vast evil plot to blacken the reputation of Jackson.
The Jackson fans are hopeless. Nothing ,no evidence will shake their faith in the great God Michael.
I can't see how anybody who approached halfway objectively can look at the evidence and not go away thinking that Jackson basically bought and bribed his way out of a conviction for pedophilia.