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Lothian said:
David Davis gas already detailed what he will deliver
Free trade,
No free movement,
Minimal contributions,
Deals with the US, China and other large countries within 2 years of the vote.
No businesses leaving the UK
All EU funding received in the UK to continue.
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Meanwhile, back in the real world...
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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Apart from the 'no longer' part he's completely right. The EU could never tell the UK what to do. Nothing has changed in that respect.
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And yet so many I have spoken to and heard on radio have kept on asserting that we are 'ruled by Brussels' or that 'Brussels tell us what to do and we have to comply'.
 
The Don said:
As I understand it, the crucial difference for Canada is that it doesn't include services, and in particular financial services.

Given that the UK has a £20bn+ services trade surplus with the EU, and London's financial services are a big prize for the EU financial centres, then IMO it's vital that the UK's deal includes services in general and financial services in particular.
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So Norway, the option Davis has tried to handwave away, it'll have to be.
 
McHrozni said:
In my humble opinion that's how Theresa May is planning to stay in EU. Promise to leave, have the most prominent Leaver screw things up so completely Brexit becomes impossible for UK, then wash the blood off her hands.

McHrozni
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Oh, I do so hope you are right! :)
 
MikeG said:
If it is such a great club why do you think that they have to take special measures to try to prevent people from leaving?
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Because, as the UK has just demonstrated, there are delusional and easily-swayed idiotic in every country.
 
catsmate said:
So Norway, the option Davis has tried to handwave away, it'll have to be.
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IMO we'll be out-out-out (and damn the consequences) rather than taking the Norway option. The real pain of out-out-out will take years, decades possibly to play out - well after the current players have left the stage - whereas the political pain and fallout from a Norway-style exit will be immediate.
 
cullennz said:
Then why the referendum.

The UK have been told what to do by Brussels for quite a while
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No. They haven't.

Many people have been fed that line but it doesn't bear scrutiny. Hence the referendum and why idiots voted Leave.


Hlafordlaes said:
Law? Who cares. There is an obligation of good faith here. What is at stake is a massive reordering of the relations between the UK and the EU, affecting all involved. To treat post-Brexit as a unilateral issue to be handled at the leisure and ordering of Ms. May, which is what this attitude is saying, is profoundly insulting and disrespectful, rude in ways commensurate with the mocking face of a Farage. This is now especially the case once Ms. May has made "out means out" the mantra. I imagine the rest of the EU are to patiently stand by and respectfully await whatever it is offered, and be duly grateful? Bollocks.

Closest thing to this attitude is China calling exchange rates a matter for internal affairs alone, or that it alone decides international boundaries. Putin does that, too. Nice company the UK is keeping now that it has left-without-leaving.
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Insulting and disrespectful has been the attitude of the UK to the EU more or less since the start. They've demanded special treatment at every turn and for some unknown reason been given it only to turn round and throw it back in the face of the people who have tried to be nice to them. It's not exactly a surprise that the attitude persists. The belief that when it comes to the crunch the EU will simply give us what we want hasn't come from thin air.

MikeG said:
If it is such a great club why do you think that they have to take special measures to try to prevent people from leaving?
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Special measures like not giving them preferential treatment or favours?

MikeG said:
:rolleyes: So suddenly it is in the best interests of the country to have austerity and a balanced budget. How quickly Labour flip-flop.
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The Tories have been telling us austerity was the best approach for years. Now it isn't? Did we suddenly get richer?

SusanB-M1 said:
And yet so many I have spoken to and heard on radio have kept on asserting that we are 'ruled by Brussels' or that 'Brussels tell us what to do and we have to comply'.
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Yep. People's heads have been filled with nonsense by a persistent propaganda campaign from the media and a few others.
 
The Don said:
IMO we'll be out-out-out (and damn the consequences) rather than taking the Norway option. The real pain of out-out-out will take years, decades possibly to play out - well after the current players have left the stage - whereas the political pain and fallout from a Norway-style exit will be immediate.
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Don't worry though, Boris and Dave both have lots of wealth and will hardly notice any of the financial hardships endured by poor people as a result of their disastrous machinations.
 
Puppycow said:
Davis makes a lot of logical arguments about why this arrangement would be good for both sides, but at the end of the day, even if every one of his points is correct and reasonable, not everyone is necessarily going to see it that way and the process of actually convincing everyone who needs to be convinced may be the problem.
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Davis covers this : they will see it his way if they're rational.
 
McHrozni said:
In my humble opinion that's how Theresa May is planning to stay in EU. Promise to leave, have the most prominent Leaver screw things up so completely Brexit becomes impossible for UK, then wash the blood off her hands.
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That's the Machiavellian interpretation so likely true.

'Jürgen Hardt, the foreign policy spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democrats, argued that putting leave campaigners in positions of power may keep the UK in the EU.

“It is in every respect a smart move by the new prime minister Theresa May to prominently involve the leading exponent of the leave camp within her party in her government,” he wrote. “If this government, with Johnson’s support, one day come to conclude in the face of the facts that it should not complete an exit from the EU after all, it would thus have guaranteed support in her party and possibly even among the people.”
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The Boris Johnson question: how the UK's foreign secretary is viewed abroad
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/14/boris-johnson-foreign-secretary-view-from-abroad
 
Can anyone explain what Boris means when he says
He said: "We have to give effect to the will of the people in the referendum but that does not mean leaving Europe. There is a massive difference between leaving the EU and our relations with Europe which, if anything, are going to be intensified."
 
MCel58 said:
Can anyone explain what Boris means when he says
He said: "We have to give effect to the will of the people in the referendum but that does not mean leaving Europe. There is a massive difference between leaving the EU and our relations with Europe which, if anything, are going to be intensified."
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Something along the lines of, I'm ordering a large slice of chocolate cake and a latte. When I go to the toilet, I won't be returning to pay the bill. Please don't be offended, the people made me do it.

That's my guess.
 
MCel58 said:
Can anyone explain what Boris means when he says
He said: "We have to give effect to the will of the people in the referendum but that does not mean leaving Europe. There is a massive difference between leaving the EU and our relations with Europe which, if anything, are going to be intensified."
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It actually makes a lot of sense.

We are still going to have to do business with Europe and now that the EU membership is gone it's going to be a hell of a lot of hard work to actually achieve it.

All that extra work, extra cost, extra hoops to jump through. Intense indeed.
 
I quite like this Grauniad comment:

"The appointment of the three senior Brexiteers is not merely an attempt by May to cement the loyalty of the Tory right or to gratify the Eurosceptic press – although it is both of these things as well. Much more fundamentally, it is a statement that the Brexiteers must own the Brexit decision and its consequences. They wanted the leave vote. They made it happen. Now it is their responsibility – and not the government’s remainers – to make the choices that follow from it."

Maybe this apparently insane move by May is actually very cunning. Put them in the firing line, have them fail (as they surely will - I'd give Boris about 3 months) and give the Tory Euroskeptics the edge of your tongue: "These were your finest ... they were morons. Now stfu"
 
I wonder about the people of Gibraltar, will Boris be handling the negotiations with the Spain? This is going to get tricky
 
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