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The Don said:
As I understand it, the crucial difference for Canada is that it doesn't include services, and in particular financial services.

Given that the UK has a £20bn+ services trade surplus with the EU, and London's financial services are a big prize for the EU financial centres, then IMO it's vital that the UK's deal includes services in general and financial services in particular.
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There will be all sorts of crucial differences that the Leavers will attempt to ignore or hand wave away.

Whatever happens now will be sold to us as 'a great deal for Britain' because that's what May has committed to getting. And it's pretty obvious that a section of the population and the media will swallow it because they are already eating out of her hand.
 
The Don said:
As I understand it, the crucial difference for Canada is that it doesn't include services, and in particular financial services.

Given that the UK has a £20bn+ services trade surplus with the EU, and London's financial services are a big prize for the EU financial centres, then IMO it's vital that the UK's deal includes services in general and financial services in particular.
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And every one of 27 EU countries besides Britain would have to agree to the deal?
 
Davis makes a lot of logical arguments about why this arrangement would be good for both sides, but at the end of the day, even if every one of his points is correct and reasonable, not everyone is necessarily going to see it that way and the process of actually convincing everyone who needs to be convinced may be the problem.
 
Lothian said:
David Davis gas already detailed what he will deliver
Free trade,
No free movement,
Minimal contributions,
Deals with the US, China and other large countries within 2 years of the vote.
No businesses leaving the UK
All EU funding received in the UK to continue.
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Why the heck would any in the EU give UK that ? I mean unless he has a huge pile of blackmail photo, there is no way anybody would give that UK. And if they DO get that, the whole population of EU would immediately go to the street to either call for the head of the politician negotiating, or to ask for their own leave of the EU.
 
Puppycow said:
Poor Boris. His plan to stay clear of this shambles has been thwarted. Now he gets at least partial ownership of whatever deal they manage to negotiate.
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In my humble opinion that's how Theresa May is planning to stay in EU. Promise to leave, have the most prominent Leaver screw things up so completely Brexit becomes impossible for UK, then wash the blood off her hands.

Either that, or I want what she's smoking.

McHrozni
 
Puppycow said:
And every one of 27 EU countries besides Britain would have to agree to the deal?
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If it's part of the exit agreement then I think they do.

If it's part of a separate trade negotiation then it might be better. Or it might be worse.

The Canada deal now has to be approved by 28 (27 now maybe?) national governments. My guess (and it is a guess) is that if 27 EU delegations and 27 national parliaments had to approve a deal with the UK which looked favourable or beneficial to the idea of leaving the EU then at least one of them would say 'no way'
 
MikeG said:
That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Here's a BBC report on the matter. ..............but it took 7 years to negotiate.
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There is a crucial difference you are underestimating : the UK was in the EU, Canada was not. The UK at every steps was the red headed stepchild which wanted its own place with its own rules with its own currency and at every steps slinged poo toward the continent. Canada did not. Canada was not in an EU contract and decided unilaterally to break it, in such a way that having a good deal would give the seed of more leaving. Canada did not either have people come to the parliament and figuratively show them the finger (well you can thanks farage for that). Canada did not have a load of financial service with the EU which would by law or by simply easiness have to go back somewhere else.

I have no doubt that the EU and UK will have a deal, but I seriously doubt it will as good a deal as you think it will be. The EU cannot afford that if only to maintain cohesion.
 
GlennB said:
A while back I was reading here about the verb 'to Merkel', which roughly translates as to sit back, do little, and just wait for others to succumb to one's vast power.

I'm not sure May is in that class, but I truly wish her luck :)
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That was me but I got it from The Economist

And it pretty exactly describes how May became replacement PM for Cameron doesn't it? She sat back and didn't really do anything except let her opponents kick each other and themselves in the goolies.
 
cullennz said:
Then why the referendum.

The UK have been told what to do by Brussels for quite a while
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Well that was the allegation from the Leave campaign. The Remain campaign (and people on this board) has repeatedly pointed out that this is not the case, or at least it's an exaggeration of the true situation.
 
Lothian said:
David Davis gas already detailed what he will deliver
Free trade,
No free movement,
Minimal contributions,
Deals with the US, China and other large countries within 2 years of the vote.
No businesses leaving the UK
All EU funding received in the UK to continue.
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Is he an idiot? :jaw-dropp
 
Totally talking as some one who lived there for ten years and probably know Jack. But they had a point.

Not enough to warrant vote leave though.

At the end of the day May has agreed leave and will negotiate

And the UK will get screwed in the negotiations

I think people are missing the big issue here for the UK

Sit down. And breath normally. I have some bad news

I think the UK will get "nil-pwa" from most countries in the Eurovision Song Contest for the next generation
 
Aepervius said:
.......Canada was not in an EU contract and decided unilaterally to break it, in such a way that having a good deal would give the seed of more leaving...........The EU cannot afford that if only to maintain cohesion.
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If it is such a great club why do you think that they have to take special measures to try to prevent people from leaving?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Apart from the 'no longer' part he's completely right. The EU could never tell the UK what to do. Nothing has changed in that respect.
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Law? Who cares. There is an obligation of good faith here. What is at stake is a massive reordering of the relations between the UK and the EU, affecting all involved. To treat post-Brexit as a unilateral issue to be handled at the leisure and ordering of Ms. May, which is what this attitude is saying, is profoundly insulting and disrespectful, rude in ways commensurate with the mocking face of a Farage. This is now especially the case once Ms. May has made "out means out" the mantra. I imagine the rest of the EU are to patiently stand by and respectfully await whatever it is offered, and be duly grateful? Bollocks.

Closest thing to this attitude is China calling exchange rates a matter for internal affairs alone, or that it alone decides international boundaries. Putin does that, too. Nice company the UK is keeping now that it has left-without-leaving.
 
MikeG said:
He won't be involved. That's David Davies' department.
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I find it hard to believe that the Foreign Secretary is not going to play a part in the Brexit work, considering it involves how we position ourselves wrt to other governments.
 
MikeG said:
If it is such a great club why do you think that they have to take special measures to try to prevent people from leaving?
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Those are not special measure to stop people exiting. In fact tomorrow if italy wanted they could on a whim invoke article 50, heck Engfalnd is about to do it now.
So there are NO measure to stop people brexiting.

On the other hand there are measure to incensitive people to NOT do something that stupid, or at least give incensitive that it is better to stay in together than out alone.

I am hoping that anybody in this thread would see the difference between both.

Apparently not.
 
I see the Tories are already using Brexit to get out of those uncomfortable forecasts of Osborne. Back to old fashioned values of political expediency and opportunism taking priority over the interests of the country.
 
Darat said:
I see the Tories are already using Brexit to get out of those uncomfortable forecasts of Osborne. Back to old fashioned values of political expediency and opportunism taking priority over the interests of the country.
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:rolleyes: So suddenly it is in the best interests of the country to have austerity and a balanced budget. How quickly Labour flip-flop.
 
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