Responsible Tesla self driving car kills driver.

The motoring journalist in a Tesla on a UK motorway. Note the hideous 60mph accident about to happen just up the road ...
 

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GlennB said:
Care to put a name to these quotes? :

the Model S [is] “probably better than humans at this point in highway driving”

the car [is] “almost able to go [between San Francisco and Seattle] without touching the controls at all”.
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Why should i care what the CEO state as marketing ? The point is that it is sold for an usage , specific, and it is not an autonomous car because it does not have such capabilities.

I repeat : this is NOT an autonomous car and has nowhere near the complexity or capability of one. It requires the driver attention and reaction.
 
Aepervius said:
Why should i care what the CEO state as marketing ? The point is that it is sold for an usage , specific, and it is not an autonomous car because it does not have such capabilities.

I repeat : this is NOT an autonomous car and has nowhere near the complexity or capability of one. It requires the driver attention and reaction.
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I am not disputing that, however it won't obviously fail. It will trundle along seemingly perfectly OK. If it wasn't then I'd be far happier.

ETA: And having to keep the hands on the steering wheel is not sufficient - humans are perfectly capable of zoning out, and will do so if their cruise control is doing all the work... until it doesn't.
 
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Aepervius said:
Why should i care what the CEO state as marketing ? The point is that it is sold for an usage , specific, and it is not an autonomous car because it does not have such capabilities.
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Because Musk is highly respected and it's 'his' car? That will influence people.

Aepervius said:
I repeat : this is NOT an autonomous car and has nowhere near the complexity or capability of one. It requires the driver attention and reaction.
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We know, and we know that some people are ignoring its limitations and seeing it as something it isn't. Musks's comments were bound to encourage that.
 
GlennB said:
Because Musk is highly respected and it's 'his' car? That will influence people.

We know, and we know that some people are ignoring its limitations and seeing it as something it isn't. Musks's comments were bound to encourage that.
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Bingo
 
Aepervius said:
Why should i care what the CEO state as marketing ?
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This isn't complicated. If the marketing implies the product can do things it can't, then the marketers are intentionally misleading consumers.

There's a time and place to learn the limits of your new car's automatic controls. Zipping down the highway at 60MPH is not it.
 
William Parcher said:
We still don't know the statistics for non-fatal accidents using Tesla Autopilot within those 130 million miles. If Brown had ducked his head at the very last instant he might be alive and therefore still no fatalities at 130 million miles in spite of the Tesla not seeing the truck at all.
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Yep, clearly Brown never saw the trailer or "The Seven-Ups".

https://youtu.be/9vACWV5sRcY?t=9m24s


Or even just the trailer for "The Seven-Ups".





Obviously Harry Potter's not the movie to watch when driving, you want to watch a movie that at least has a chance of reminding you that you are, well, driving and what can happen if you don't pay attention.
 
Just as a matter of interest. Yesterday going home at dusk. Grey sky, Grey road, grey houses, grey trees, grey cars (theses days that's true not even at dusk)

Approaching light green for a lo-o-ng time. Figured I wouldn't beat it* so travelling at moderate speed. When I was c.30 yards from the intersection I see this grey cyclist crossing the intersection silhouetted against the lighter grey sky.

Question: Would a Tesla have seen the idjit?





* Actually did, light turned yellow when I was 90% across
 
Noztradamus said:
Just as a matter of interest. Yesterday going home at dusk. Grey sky, Grey road, grey houses, grey trees, grey cars (theses days that's true not even at dusk)

Approaching light green for a lo-o-ng time. Figured I wouldn't beat it* so travelling at moderate speed. When I was c.30 yards from the intersection I see this grey cyclist crossing the intersection silhouetted against the lighter grey sky.

Question: Would a Tesla have seen the idjit?





* Actually did, light turned yellow when I was 90% across
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Insufficient data. There are sensor processing algorithms which would have "seen" the bicyclist. (The sensors might not be exclusively visual.) Would they have been programmed? That's hard to say.
 
Aepervius said:
Why should i care what the CEO state as marketing ? The point is that it is sold for an usage , specific, and it is not an autonomous car because it does not have such capabilities.

I repeat : this is NOT an autonomous car and has nowhere near the complexity or capability of one. It requires the driver attention and reaction.
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I agree completely ... they should have called it literally "fancy Cruise Control"

I liken it to that fancy table saw that stops the blade (almost) instantly if your finger acidently touches the blade ...

... BUT if you SLAP your hand into the blade, or fall on it ... your still going to get cut up.
 
I've always thought driverless cars are never going to be that great as long as you have more cars with drivers being idiots
 
Aepervius said:
But the car is not sold as autonomous AFAIK, which is why tesla indicate the driver should be in control.
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Yes. It is sold as semi-autonomous.

elgarak said:
In the Brown crash, the truck crossed into Brown's lane at an intersection, traveling perpendicular to Brown. He crashed into/beneath the wide side of the trailer.

From what I read about Tesla's Autopilot, this is not a situation which it is designed to control. In short, the Autopilot shouldn't have been engaged (on a highway that has intersections), which is not a determination the Autopilot can make. What it is designed for is interstate/German Autobahn style driving where there are no intersections and all cars travel more or less parallel in the same direction.
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The reality is that, it doesn't matter how autonomous a vehicle is, if its speed outdistances its sensor range and reaction time, its autonomousness will not prevent an accident.
 
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GlennB said:
I read similar in The Guardian report. Scary. Conceivably the crash disabled electronic systems, but you'd hope the brakes would always default to a rapid stop in the case of a catastrophe.
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Could have been worse.

Mrs Tesla-driver could have looked out the kitchen window, only to see a roofless car with a decapitated body, neatly parallel parking behind her Volvo.

Peep. Peep. Peeeeeeeeeeep.
 
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Trebuchet said:
Am I the only one wondering if the guy was trying to make another "Autopilot saved me" video?

And regarding the Harry Potter story, the truck driver, who is ultimately at fault anyhow, is trying to cover his backside.
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What? are you suggesting that a truck driver can't possibly know what movie was being watched in the car that slid under his trailer 50 meters behind him?
 
New accident with Tesla Autopilot. It ran into some roadside stakes. Guy was supposed to hold the wheel but he didn't.

CNN said:
Neither Pang nor his passenger were injured in the accident, but it was serious enough that the car lost its front passenger side wheel. Pang told Shope he was driving between 55 and 60 mph on a road with a 55 mph speed limit. He told CNNMoney he had just gotten off of I-90 and was driving for a couple of minutes on the narrow road right before the accident. The car veered to the right and hit a series of wooden stakes on the side of the road. Both Pang and Tesla confirmed that the car was in Autopilot mode, and that he did not have his hands on the wheel...
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/12/technology/tesla-autopilot-accident/index.html
 
BStrong said:
Obviously, this must be banned:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-d...pilot-feature-is-linked-to-a-death-1467319355

Joshua Brown, a 40-year-old Ohio owner of a Tesla Model S, died when his electric car drove under the trailer of an 18-wheel truck on a highway in Williston, Fla., according to local media and public records. Mr. Brown had earlier in the year recorded a video of his car’s autopilot avoiding a crash and posted it on YouTube.
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The robot apocalypse has begun.
 
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