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New Disclosures on Benghazi - Part II

16.5 said:
I see just blatant personal attacks.

As I said? Classic!
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It's not a personal attack, it's and accurate description of the right-wing on this "issue."

How did those investigations go, btw? Are you butt-hurt that Hillary isn't being indicted?
 
thaiboxerken said:
It's not a personal attack, it's and accurate description of the right-wing on this "issue."

How did those investigations go, btw? Are you butt-hurt that Hillary isn't being indicted?
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Th Benghazi investigation showed she was grossly incompetent which lead directly to the deaths of an ambassador and three other Americans the destruction of two American facilities, the complete breakdown of governmental control in Libya and the fact that it is the leading breeding ground for jihadists.

and Dreadful Hillary's fans are GLOATING that she didn't get indicted yet?
 
16.5 said:
Th Benghazi investigation showed she was grossly incompetent which lead directly to the deaths of an ambassador and three other Americans the destruction of two American facilities, the complete breakdown of governmental control in Libya and the fact that it is the leading breeding ground for jihadists.

and Dreadful Hillary's fans are GLOATING that she didn't get indicted yet?
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I could almost agree with this. In fact, I think if it didn't say "grossly", I could buy it. In other words, I think there is a legitimate criticism that says the administration's handling of Libya was incompetent, but it was a difficult situation. I'm not sure if there was anything obvious that they should have done. Their policy didn't work, so I think incompetence could be charged.

So why is it that Hillary's fans are GLOATING?

It is because the Republicans turned it into a witch hunt and made it a major part of an effort to discredit Ms. Clinton. By doing so, they managed to give her the opportunity to claim victory, or at least vindication, for a failed policy. The right wing media has been clamoring for her head, some of them demanding an indictment for.....something...... When the dust settled around the investigation and all that could be found was that there was some confusion for a couple of days in the middle of a difficult and developing situation, she could claim that the right wing got it wrong, and end up diverting attention from her own failures.

in other words, you made your bed. Now lie in it.
 
16.5 said:
Th Benghazi investigation showed she was grossly incompetent which lead directly to the deaths of an ambassador and three other Americans the destruction of two American facilities, the complete breakdown of governmental control in Libya and the fact that it is the leading breeding ground for jihadists.

and Dreadful Hillary's fans are GLOATING that she didn't get indicted yet?
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No it did not. Only partisan folks would say it does. The investigations had the goal of hurting Obama and Hillary in political ways. It didn't work. Now you can be butt hurt about it.
 
16.5 said:
Th Benghazi investigation showed she was grossly incompetent which lead directly to the deaths of an ambassador and three other Americans the destruction of two American facilities, the complete breakdown of governmental control in Libya and the fact that it is the leading breeding ground for jihadists.

and Dreadful Hillary's fans are GLOATING that she didn't get indicted yet?
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Crappy things happen in crappy places.
News at 11.
 
16.5 said:
Th Benghazi investigation showed she was grossly incompetent which lead directly to the deaths of an ambassador and three other Americans the destruction of two American facilities, the complete breakdown of governmental control in Libya and the fact that it is the leading breeding ground for jihadists.

and Dreadful Hillary's fans are GLOATING that she didn't get indicted yet?
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Keep telling yourself that.
 
Meadmaker said:
I could almost agree with this. In fact, I think if it didn't say "grossly", I could buy it. In other words, I think there is a legitimate criticism that says the administration's handling of Libya was incompetent, but it was a difficult situation. I'm not sure if there was anything obvious that they should have done. Their policy didn't work, so I think incompetence could be charged.

So why is it that Hillary's fans are GLOATING?

It is because the Republicans turned it into a witch hunt and made it a major part of an effort to discredit Ms. Clinton. By doing so, they managed to give her the opportunity to claim victory, or at least vindication, for a failed policy. The right wing media has been clamoring for her head, some of them demanding an indictment for.....something...... When the dust settled around the investigation and all that could be found was that there was some confusion for a couple of days in the middle of a difficult and developing situation, she could claim that the right wing got it wrong, and end up diverting attention from her own failures.

in other words, you made your bed. Now lie in it.
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Well said!
 
...So, her new nickname is "Dreadful Hillary"? Or is that some old one I haven't heard before because I don't listen to right-wing fever swamps?
 
16.5 said:
Th Benghazi investigation showed she was grossly incompetent which lead directly to the deaths of an ambassador and three other Americans the destruction of two American facilities, the complete breakdown of governmental control in Libya and the fact that it is the leading breeding ground for jihadists.

and Dreadful Hillary's fans are GLOATING that she didn't get indicted yet?
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No. There are any number of people in this thread who are not fans of Dread-Inducing Hillary. They/we are more fans of watching the HDS sufferers flop around gasping for air like a beached shipwreck victim.

That is what the gloating is all about. And we thank you for allowing it to continue as you people swim away from the wreckage of the good ship "Get Hillary", reach for what looks like a bright orange flotation device and realize it's just a wisp of Orange Fog. But, look... there's a lifeboat over there; swim for it. Oooh, how sad. It's pretty full and the First Mate is Lef-tenant William Kristol, who hits you over the head with an oar. Ironically, the last words you hear as you sink beneath the figurative waves are "Get Trump. Burn him. He's a witch, I say and I hate him." I guess the world has come full cycle?
 
No. There are any number of people in this thread who are not fans of Dread-Inducing Hillary. They/we are more fans of watching the HDS sufferers flop around gasping for air like a beached shipwreck victim.
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^^

This.

We're mocking the lack of rationality on the part of some folks. Did the same with BDS sufferers, and ODS sufferers. Seems HDS sufferers are going to get it the worst. Should be a fun 8 years!
 
Meadmaker said:
I could almost agree with this. In fact, I think if it didn't say "grossly", I could buy it. In other words, I think there is a legitimate criticism that says the administration's handling of Libya was incompetent, but it was a difficult situation. I'm not sure if there was anything obvious that they should have done. Their policy didn't work, so I think incompetence could be charged.

So why is it that Hillary's fans are GLOATING?

It is because the Republicans turned it into a witch hunt and made it a major part of an effort to discredit Ms. Clinton. By doing so, they managed to give her the opportunity to claim victory, or at least vindication, for a failed policy. The right wing media has been clamoring for her head, some of them demanding an indictment for.....something...... When the dust settled around the investigation and all that could be found was that there was some confusion for a couple of days in the middle of a difficult and developing situation, she could claim that the right wing got it wrong, and end up diverting attention from her own failures.
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Sorry, but the Obama administration seized on the slightest sliver of ambiguity to spin the story dishonestly for their own political purposes, 8 weeks before a Presidential election. That in itself demands a public rebuke. To make matters worse, the administration continued to stonewall the various investigations to postpone and muddy that rebuke as much as possible. That behavior too demanded a public rebuke. Note that zero emails from Hillary were available to any investigation prior to the House Select Committee. Why that hadn't raised suspicions before tells you all you need to know about the credibility of those prior investigations.

in other words, you made your bed. Now lie in it.
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You have constructed a strawman built from artificial straw. The investigation wasn't even directed at Hillary per se, but rather the entire administration. It's true that her behavior was front and center, since she was in charge of the agency with the central role in the fiasco, but the investigations focused on the CIA, the military, and the actions of Obama (although, once again, the administration refused to cooperate, so we never learned much there). It was Clinton's defenders who tried to muddy the waters by claiming it was a witch hunt to "get" the putative nominee of Democratic party. These investigations started long before Clinton was even formally a candidate, and they only continued to produce news about her because they kept finding new evidence of unseemly behavior (specifically the email situation).
 
LOL, the entire purpose of the Benghazi Committee was to try to prevent Hillary from being elected President. Sure she wasn't officially a candidate when the committee was formed but everyone knew that she was the frontrunner. Still is. If only the Republicans were smart enough to nominate John Kasich or some other Republican that is capable of pretending to be reasonable, that might be different. But they aren't. LOL.
 
Yep. Accusations about Benghazi first started out for the purpose of preventing Obama's re-election. That failed, so they decided to use Benghazi to go after Hillary.
 
sunmaster14 said:
You have constructed a strawman built from artificial straw. The investigation wasn't even directed at Hillary per se, but rather the entire administration. It's true that her behavior was front and center, since she was in charge of the agency with the central role in the fiasco, but the investigations focused on the CIA, the military, and the actions of Obama ...
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I go back to my answer to 16.5. If you want to say that the administration response was incompetent, I can accept that. Ok. It was incompetent.


Of course, nothing new has been revealed lately on that topic. There has been no new information. It doesn't seem to me that anyone was trying to find any new information. If they were, though, they seemed particularly focused on any failures by the Secretary of State, as opposed to the rest of the administration.

Certainly, when the report came out last week, all the discussion from right wing sources was all Hillary, all the time.

Given the incredible degree of coverage her role has received, I don't think you can call my discussion a straw man. The straw man here was erected by the right wing itself. They built it up, and they insist it is still standing, as opposed to having been mercilessly shredded.

That was the essence of my answer to 16.5. The left can get away with GLOATING about no indictment because the right was so focused on defaming Hillary and, if at all possible, prosecuting her. As I said in a different place, they moved their own goalposts. In so doing, they lost their chance to score.

ETA: Even your own post was all about "rebuke". Is that a worthy goal of a Congressional investigation? Well, maybe. I suppose it is fair to use that stage as a means of exposing something to the American people, and they did so. Fair enough. If they had stopped at "the administration response was incompetent", it would have worked. Unfortunately for them, they kept going and going and going, and the people who were following started to see it as less and less about factfinding, and more and more about an anti-Hillary vendetta.
 
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Meadmaker said:
I go back to my answer to 16.5. If you want to say that the administration response was incompetent, I can accept that. Ok. It was incompetent.


Of course, nothing new has been revealed lately on that topic. There has been no new information. It doesn't seem to me that anyone was trying to find any new information. If they were, though, they seemed particularly focused on any failures by the Secretary of State, as opposed to the rest of the administration.

Certainly, when the report came out last week, all the discussion from right wing sources was all Hillary, all the time.

Given the incredible degree of coverage her role has received, I don't think you can call my discussion a straw man. The straw man here was erected by the right wing itself. They built it up, and they insist it is still standing, as opposed to having been mercilessly shredded.

That was the essence of my answer to 16.5. The left can get away with GLOATING about no indictment because the right was so focused on defaming Hillary and, if at all possible, prosecuting her. As I said in a different place, they moved their own goalposts. In so doing, they lost their chance to score.

ETA: Even your own post was all about "rebuke". Is that a worthy goal of a Congressional investigation? Well, maybe. I suppose it is fair to use that stage as a means of exposing something to the American people, and they did so. Fair enough. If they had stopped at "the administration response was incompetent", it would have worked. Unfortunately for them, they kept going and going and going, and the people who were following started to see it as less and less about factfinding, and more and more about an anti-Hillary vendetta.
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Yes, rebuke is an appropriate goal. Remember, Obama et al dishonestly spun the Benghazi situation in order to prevent damage to their immediate, and extraordinarily important, political goal of maximizing their vote totals in the election coming up in less than 2 months. Unless you want all future administrations to do the same thing, the opposition party must administer some sort of punishment to act as a deterrent. I think they've done that.
 
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