Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

[Foolmewunz]

Oh! I see, they are "friends from way back."

Hell i wish I would have known that earlier, that really clears up any question at all about her being biased.

Thanks man!

Think of the posts it could've saved you. You could've resigned yourself to defeat a year ago. We'd have missed out on all the entertainment, but you could've invested all that energy in solving the Jimmy Hoffa case.

 

[acbytesla]

Another crackerjack investigation by CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.

We know that detail. It's why we're discussing it.

Personally, I agree with Lynch. It must've been an "Oh ****" moment for both of them when they realized the possible implications. Will this be the strawman that broke the straw camel's back? No. But it is not helpful and it was a dumb thing to do.

And that is why I think it was 300% innocent. Bill, the diabolically clever mastermind of the Clinton Crime Family Syndicate? "Oh, say. Hi there. Fancy meeting you at an airport we were both scheduled to be in. Wink wink nudge nudge. How are the grandchildren? Are they off school for the summer and planning on coming to my all expenses paid Bastille Day barbecue in Antigua, not that that has anything to do with any, er, uh, current investigations at the DoJ, of course. [Laughs into handkerchief]"

Exactly, it's too damn obvious to be deliberately nefarious. If you think or know you are doing something illegal, you cover your tracks. It's called "consciousness of guilt". You don't do it right out in the open.

 

[Fudbucker]

Exactly, it's too damn obvious to be deliberately nefarious. If you think or know you are doing something illegal, you cover your tracks. It's called "consciousness of guilt". You don't do it right out in the open.

Unless you've got the Purloined Letter in mind, in which case you do it right out in the open because nobody would think you would be dumb enough to do it right out in the open.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Unless you've got the Purloined Letter in mind, in which case you do it right out in the open because nobody would think you would be dumb enough to do it right out in the open.

When your argument devolves into the Never Go Up Against a Sicilian scene from Princess Bride it's time to pack it in. You do realize that that's a fictional comedy, right?

 

[acbytesla]

When your argument devolves into the Never Go Up Against a Sicilian scene from Princess Bride it's time to pack it in. You do realize that that's a fictional comedy, right?

Inconceivable!

 

[Fudbucker]

When your argument devolves into the Never Go Up Against a Sicilian scene from Princess Bride it's time to pack it in. You do realize that that's a fictional comedy, right?

I realize it's totally improper for a former president to have a private chat with the Attorney General while the FBI is investigating his wife.

Do I think bags of cash were traded for a sweetheart deal? No, but what they did was incredibly stupid and unprofessional and they both know it.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I realize it's totally improper for a former president to have a private chat with the Attorney General while the FBI is investigating his wife.

Do I think bags of cash were traded for a sweetheart deal? No, but what they did was incredibly stupid and unprofessional and they both know it.

More important, they both admit it. It was a dumb-**** moment. The Clintons already suffer on the smarm-o-meter readings but I doubt this one's going to stick much beyond the weekend. Oh, the pitbulls at Breitbart and Fox will keep it going but we're seeing the drip drip drip effect of their constant complaining. It's not converting anyone; it's merely preaching to the choir.

If Lynch - or Clinton - had done a Trump and doubled down or flat out lied as he oft does e.g. "I didn't say that". They'd get the crap kicked out of them. Admitting it was a mistake and showing that she understands why it was a mistake will defang the complaint.

 

[Fudbucker]

More important, they both admit it. It was a dumb-**** moment. The Clintons already suffer on the smarm-o-meter readings but I doubt this one's going to stick much beyond the weekend. Oh, the pitbulls at Breitbart and Fox will keep it going but we're seeing the drip drip drip effect of their constant complaining. It's not converting anyone; it's merely preaching to the choir.

If Lynch - or Clinton - had done a Trump and doubled down or flat out lied as he oft does e.g. "I didn't say that". They'd get the crap kicked out of them. Admitting it was a mistake and showing that she understands why it was a mistake will defang the complaint.

Well, it's already been eclipsed by Clinton's sit-down with the FBI. We'll know pretty soon whether there was any substance to all this shadow.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Well, it's already been eclipsed by Clinton's sit-down with the FBI. We'll know pretty soon whether there was any substance to all this shadow.

I think that the sanity bet is that if there are going to be charges or even remonstrations from the DoJ, they'll happen in a matter of days. If they toss the whole thing, and plan to make hay of it, they wait until Donald's party starts in Cleveland.

I'm not denying the Dems partisanship in this. I've said all along that a Dem administration AG and DoJ have only the minutest of possibility of charging her. She would've had to have broken down and wept to the FBI. "I did it. I can't take this any more and have to confess." Since that didn't happen and never had any chance of happening, she will not be charged. Again, let's not forget the accurate claim in Judge Janine's fantasy. Obama received, possibly classified, emails from that server and responded to same.

 

[acbytesla]

I think that the sanity bet is that if there are going to be charges or even remonstrations from the DoJ, they'll happen in a matter of days. If they toss the whole thing, and plan to make hay of it, they wait until Donald's party starts in Cleveland.

I'm not denying the Dems partisanship in this. I've said all along that a Dem administration AG and DoJ have only the minutest of possibility of charging her. She would've had to have broken down and wept to the FBI. "I did it. I can't take this any more and have to confess." Since that didn't happen and never had any chance of happening, she will not be charged. Again, let's not forget the accurate claim in Judge Janine's fantasy. Obama received, possibly classified, emails from that server and responded to same.

Here's the thing. This was all stupid. I'll grant that. But was it corrupt? That would change everything. I'm convinced that was what Republicans were hoping for. But what we have is a mistake and people all make mistakes. No one but those who oppose her care about a mistake.

Frankly, I blame the IT department and civil servants the State Department as much for this as I do Hillary. Not because I'm looking to blame anyone but because you can't really expect the bosses to know crap about tech stuff. They never do or they know just enough to be dangerous. Obama was talking with one of the late night TV hosts recently about how he was technically savvy when he came into office and yet was a neophyte today. That finally they gave him a smartphone yet for security purposes had disabled half the apps, he couldn't even use it to make a call.

He said it was like a toy you give to a 4 year old.

The point is the staff at the State Department should have made this secure.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

What we have is a mistake and all people make mistakes. No one but those who oppose her care about a mistake.

The basis for imminent indictments rests upon the fact that neither the State Department, nor the President gave Clinton the authority to use a private server. Since this server contained "Top Secret" classified information, Clinton faces legal consequences.

Under the Espionage Act (Title 18) it is a felony for a federal official to “knowingly remove classified material without the authority to do so and with the intention of keeping that material at an unauthorized location.”

The day after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as Secretary of State (January 22, 2009), she received a security briefing and signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement:

“I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) by me could cause irreparable injury to the United States or be used to advantage by a foreign nation.

"I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of SCI by me may constitute violations of United States criminal laws, including provisions of Sections 793, 794, 798, and 952, Title 18, United States Code, and of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code. Nothing in this agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation."

Sensitive Compartmented Information Non-Disclosure Agreement
Signed copy of Hillary Clinton's Non-Disclosure Agreement​

 

[Darat]

You can view it through the lens of corruption as is your choice. Lynch has said that she'll accept whatever recommendations the FBI makes. Yes, it doesn't look kosher to people who already see Clinton as corrupt but the facts are Bill and Loretta are friends from way back and if he wanted to unduly influence the investigation there would be a far better way to do it.
You'd also think he would have done it sooner.
No, this is a whole lot nothing. Note, that HRC met with the FBI today.

Or indeed arranged a clandestine meeting.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

"Former Sec. of State Hillary Clinton is scheduled to meet Saturday with the FBI, a source close to the investigation into her private email server tells The Daily Caller.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/01/e...d-to-meet-with-fbi-on-saturday/#ixzz4DCQip8YR

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Will you admit that you have no idea what you're talking about when she answers their questions and doesn't plead the fifth?

Here's the chance to see .....

 

[BobTheCoward]

The basis for imminent indictments rests upon the fact that neither the State Department, nor the President gave Clinton the authority to use a private server. Since this server contained "Top Secret" classified information, Clinton faces legal consequences.

Under the Espionage Act (Title 18) it is a felony for a federal official to “knowingly remove classified material without the authority to do so and with the intention of keeping that material at an unauthorized location.”

The day after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as Secretary of State (January 22, 2009), she received a security briefing and signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement:

“I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) by me could cause irreparable injury to the United States or be used to advantage by a foreign nation.

"I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of SCI by me may constitute violations of United States criminal laws, including provisions of Sections 793, 794, 798, and 952, Title 18, United States Code, and of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code. Nothing in this agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation."

Sensitive Compartmented Information Non-Disclosure Agreement
Signed copy of Hillary Clinton's Non-Disclosure Agreement​

You left off the biggest case against indictment. Previous uses of the act have focused on cases where there was the goal to distribute it. That combined with how many people knew of the server points to not wanting to use the law in a new way.

 

[acbytesla]

The basis for imminent indictments rests upon the fact that neither the State Department, nor the President gave Clinton the authority to use a private server. Since this server contained "Top Secret" classified information, Clinton faces legal consequences.
Under the Espionage Act (Title 18) it is a felony for a federal official to “knowingly remove classified material without the authority to do so and with the intention of keeping that material at an unauthorized location.”

The day after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as Secretary of State (January 22, 2009), she received a security briefing and signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement:

“I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) by me could cause irreparable injury to the United States or be used to advantage by a foreign nation.

"I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of SCI by me may constitute violations of United States criminal laws, including provisions of Sections 793, 794, 798, and 952, Title 18, United States Code, and of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code. Nothing in this agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation."

Sensitive Compartmented Information Non-Disclosure Agreement
Signed copy of Hillary Clinton's Non-Disclosure Agreement​

Uh, no.

Clinton wasn't merely an employee of the State Department, but the titular head of the State Department. Since when does the boss ask permission to do something from their underlings? And Obama is just as unlikely to understand every single regulation and how it applies to security as Clinton did.

That doesn't make them stupid, that makes them ignorant. Which honestly you can expect when you note the shear volume of regulations.

Here's another question, what constitutes an unauthorized location for the head of the State Department? She herself has the requisite authority to give herself permission. And given her title i would imagine that one could easily say anywhere she is is, is an authorized location. Just like the President I'm sure takes classified briefing documents to his home, the mansion, the plane, hotels etc. This is not some peon. I'd bet as SecState, she would almost always have sensitive documents nearby.

 

[KwamiFabu]

Indictment or no, Hillary is manifestly unfit to be president based on what we already know she did. The mere fact that she maintained a homebrew server in contravention of the president's policies, and all common sense, should disqualify her. There is absolutely no way that server was not hacked, by multiple parties probably, including Russia (hosts of Ed Snowden) and certainly by the hacker "Guccifer" who is now reportedly cooperating with prosecutors. But Hillary's server was so insecure that a highly motivated 15-yr-old could write the phishing program. (Guccifer himself has no formal computer training and did his hacking from a small town in Romania.) The security implications are so grave and manifold that the mind boggles.

Those of us who remember Bill Clinton's presidency will recognize a depressing pattern: When first presented with scandal, lie lie lie. When the first lie is shattered (I had no classified material on the server) tell a new one (well I did but they weren't classified at the time) and if need be another (well they were classified but State rules permitted it) until public opinion has metastasized. Hillary supporters will keep supporting her no matter how many blatant lies she tells, and dismiss detractors as the "vast right-wing conspiracy".

 

[KwamiFabu]

Indictment or no, Hillary is manifestly unfit to be president based on what we already know she did. The mere fact that she maintained a homebrew server in contravention of the president's policies, and all common sense, should disqualify her. There is absolutely no way that server was not hacked, by multiple parties probably, including Russia (hosts of Ed Snowden) and certainly by the hacker "Guccifer" who is now reportedly cooperating with prosecutors. But Hillary's server was so insecure that a highly motivated 15-yr-old could write the phishing program. (Guccifer himself has no formal computer training and did his hacking from a small town in Romania.) The security implications are so grave and manifold that the mind boggles.

Those of us who remember Bill Clinton's presidency will recognize a depressing pattern: When first presented with scandal, lie lie lie. When the first lie is shattered (I had no classified material on the server) tell a new one (well I did but they weren't classified at the time) and if need be another (well they were classified but State rules permitted it) until public opinion has metastasized. Hillary supporters will keep supporting her no matter how many blatant lies she tells, and dismiss detractors as the "vast right-wing conspiracy".

 

[acbytesla]

Indictment or no, Hillary is manifestly unfit to be president based on what we already know she did. The mere fact that she maintained a homebrew server in contravention of the president's policies, and all common sense, should disqualify her. There is absolutely no way that server was not hacked, by multiple parties probably, including Russia (hosts of Ed Snowden) and certainly by the hacker "Guccifer" who is now reportedly cooperating with prosecutors. But Hillary's server was so insecure that a highly motivated 15-yr-old could write the phishing program. (Guccifer himself has no formal computer training and did his hacking from a small town in Romania.) The security implications are so grave and manifold that the mind boggles.

Those of us who remember Bill Clinton's presidency will recognize a depressing pattern: When first presented with scandal, lie lie lie. When the first lie is shattered (I had no classified material on the server) tell a new one (well I did but they weren't classified at the time) and if need be another (well they were classified but State rules permitted it) until public opinion has metastasized. Hillary supporters will keep supporting her no matter how many blatant lies she tells, and dismiss detractors as the "vast right-wing conspiracy".

Total nonsense. Clinton was the head of the State department and probably had what she thought was a need and the authority to have an email server at her home. And as the boss had no reason to believe she had to ask for permission.

That the GOP has been trying to do everything in their power to paint them with scandal and has constantly failed says more about the Republicans than it does about the Clintons.

 

[Fudbucker]

Here's the chance to see .....

Do you have a source for what went on during the interview? AFAIK nobody's talking about what was said.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Total nonsense. Clinton was the head of the State department and probably had what she thought was a need and the authority to have an email server at her home. And as the boss had no reason to believe she had to ask for permission.

"Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the Foreign Affairs Manual stated that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System, yet the Office of Inspector General found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server.

"According to the current Chief Information Officer and the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according to these officials, the Bureau of Diplomatic Security did not—and would not—approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the Foreign Affairs Manual and the security risks in doing so."

Reference:
State Department Inspector General's report on the Clinton email security breach

The server Hillary Clinton setup in her home was unencrypted, and devoid of any security features whatsoever -- basically a hacker's welcome neon sign.