Voting to leave the EU does not in any way imply that "people in England (SNIP) think they can maintain their importance in the world". No, it does not. Not for a second.
And yet we have article opinion of people which think they can not only get a better deal but will be better off out, and regain aura of that authority in the world....
Look also at comments in forums or even slashdot : many speaks of regaining their position as a power... Meaning they think they will be in a better position after Brexit, You can't interpret it differently. And there is a lot of those. You jsut need to nudge away from this forum or skeptical forums.
Well that is an incredibly stupid (and probably illiterate) comment to make. Which part of "99% literacy rates" are you finding difficult to understand?
BTW, you made a completely false........I mean 100% wrong......statement about university fees in the UK being paid for by state, and I can't see that you have acknowledged you are wrong. Do you understand now that you are 100% wrong in this matter, and that university fees have been a private matter for all of the 21st century?
Do you know what else in your madness is hilarious? The "Scots are intelligent and savvy" comment........because aligned with the gormless nonsense about university tuition being state funded it makes your case look even sillier: in Scotland, uniquely in the UK, university tuition fees ARE funded by the state!
Let's face it, truehat. You haven't actually said anything at all of substance in this thread which is actually right. That surprises no-one.
And yet we have article opinion of people which think they can not only get a better deal but will be better off out, and regain aura of that authority in the world....
Look also at comments in forums or even slashdot : many speaks of regaining their position as a power... Meaning they think they will be in a better position after Brexit, You can't interpret it differently. And there is a lot of those. You jsut need to nudge away from this forum or skeptical forums.
Quite a few seem to believe this. I mean the vote itself underscores this, why are those who wanted to remain so upset if not because they feel like the vote is putting the country into a disastrous position. Those who voted to leave, surely had to understand the same predictions, yet they felt them to be unwarranted.
It's interesting too because I see a lot of this backlash towards other countries that criticize England and point out that their own countries are succeeding in the modern world and perhaps England ought to take note.
You can read it here and in another thread. When it's pointed out that Switzerland is doing quite well, people attack the concept and try to reduce it's success as some unique bit of luck. (Underneath that sentiment is a vibe that sounds pretty close to an accusation that the only reason Switzerland is doing well is because of evil secretive banking practices)
If you ask them to consider Germany, which is moving ahead, there's a nose turn up at that as well. Instead of taking note of the success it's dismissed.
Consider China? Oh god no, China is not innovative, it just stamps out crappily made products that no one wants. (Which is obviously why it's one of the world's most powerful economies.)
The US? Don't get me started, just a bunch of wanker, twats, who have no idea what they are doing.
Again, successful world economy having only been around for 240 odd years.
You have a country that has been a world leader for hundreds of years and has basically lost all grasp with the reality that you can't bank on tradition and reputation if you aren't progressing in the modern era.
IMO The Brexit vote reflects this lack of understanding. They honestly think that the reason they aren't succeeding like they used to is because of "all the immigrants ruining everything."
Meanwhile Germany and the US are also filled with immigrants and doing fine.
And the key point is that any criticism of the excuses being made is batted back with a petulant "I know you are but what am I" whine.
I didn't make up the literacy statistics that say English teenagers are the most illiterate in the developed world. So why shoot the messenger? Why not consider why this might be happening?
And just to briefly address what is meant by literacy read below. ONLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN REPEATED ASKED TO EXPLAIN. IF THE MODS WOULD LIKE TO SPLIT IT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL. TYIA. I've spoilered it so as not to clog the thread with an Off Topic post.
Literacy as defined as "being able to read and write" is just the most basic form of literacy. When you say someone is "Computer Literate" you don't just mean they can type and read the words on the screen on a computer.
Computer literacy is the ability to use computers and related technology efficiently, with a range of skills covering levels from elementary use to programming and advanced problem solving.
If you asked someone to read the sentence many people could read the sentence word for word. Just because you can read the sentence doesn't mean you actually understand the sentence.
I chose this one because some people would be LITERATE in the world of mechanics. So when they read this sentence they also understand what a carburetor is. Some people would only have a vague understanding of what a carburetor is. And some people might be able to read the word carburetor but have no idea what it is.
Understanding what you are reading is the literacy they are talking about. The students can read the sentence out but have no idea what they are reading. It's just reading word for word or copying word for word. (writing)
And if your education system is based on "rote learning" or "teach to test." Students will pass tests easily because the questions will usually be based on "literal comprehension."
Example
Q1. Where did John drive the car?
A. John drove the car to the mechanic.
Q2. Why did John drive the car to the mechanic?
A. He drove the car to the mechanic to fix the carburetor.
As you can see in these two examples, all that is required is literal comprehension, recall of details in the story.
That's not true literacy. That's basic literacy on a 2nd or 3rd grade level. Deeper understanding and critical thinking means you can ask questions that require inferential thinking about things not written in the story.
How do you test for this? You test for this by asking Divergent Questions.
A divergent question is a question with no specific answer, but rather exercises one's ability to think broadly about a certain topic.
The articles are pointing out that although students are going through Universities, many of these Universities are churning out junk degrees that essentially evaluate literacy with basic tests. When students are asked to write insightful essays they can't do it.
So you would get an answer to the question above that would read like so:
It is important for John to keep the carburetor in good repair so John doesn't have to take the car to the mechanic. Mechanics costs are expensive and John might need to take a day off from work. This will also cost him more money. So, instead of doing all this work and spending all this money, John should keep the carburetor in good shape.
As you can see, this is something a child would write. It would show they have no real understanding of what a carburetor is and what it does. I use this example because many of us are illiterate in Car Mechanics.
But when you have the same issues showing in up World History, (example they know the date that a war started but they don't know why a war started) Math, (they know that 5 x 5 is 25 but they can't explain to you why) and other Core Educational Requirements, you have a clear example of illiteracy.
Gee how soft skinned. I was suggesting that contrary to what you wrote some people do indeed think that UK will be better off and regain position as a power and there are a lot of example in other forums or media.
Gee how soft skinned. I was suggesting that contrary to what you wrote some people do indeed think that UK will be better off and regain position as a power and there are a lot of example in other forums or media.
Don't worry, it was really clear what you meant. I sometimes have to remind myself that IRF doesn't necessarily reflect what the world looks like. I get blindsided sometimes when I realize how religious people actually are in real life.
Quite a few seem to believe this. I mean the vote itself underscores this, why are those who wanted to remain so upset if not because they feel like the vote is putting the country into a disastrous position. Those who voted to leave, surely had to understand the same predictions, yet they felt them to be unwarranted.
Unfortunately the evidence suggests many Leave voters rejected those predictions based on nothing more than their resentment of the government that was presenting them, or ignored them because the leave campaign kept yelling about immigrants and '£350 million a week'.
Unfortunately the evidence suggests many Leave voters rejected those predictions based on nothing more than their resentment of the government that was presenting them, or ignored them because the leave campaign kept yelling about immigrants and '£350 million a week'.
That's why I posted that video before by Trevor Phillips. We have the exact same issue with Trump Supporters here in the US. They honestly believe this is the problem.
Here it is again if you want to take a look. What I found interesting about the clip is how Trevor Phillips said that the rally was really off putting as a Brit because you don't normally see that kind of enthusiasm. In the US it's standard operating procedure.
I think it has a lot to do with the Brexit vote.
Here it is again if you'd like to take a look. The entire documentary is very interesting but the point I'm talking about starts at 49:00 and runs for about 10 minutes.
I've been curious about something. In looking at voting maps I saw that Newcastle voted Remain while every other are around voted Leave. Is there something drastically different demographically/socially there versus all the surrounding areas?
Wondering, as I have a trip out that way planned for later this year (never been to the UK before), and none of the info I've been reading suggests a major difference in that one specific area. Any insight on what made them go the way they did?
“Leaving the EU might make my life ****, but it’s **** anyway,” Martin Parker, a 62-year-old jobseeker says, bluntly. “So how much worse can it get?”.
On the outskirts of north London, sitting in his rented box room (“the size of a cell”, as he puts it), Parker could be said to represent a section of the country the remain camp failed to reach. The voters who weren’t swayed by fears of the economy failing – not because they didn’t believe them – but because, as Parker puts it to me: “I’ve got nothing to lose.”
Parker wouldn’t normally have bothered to vote – “I couldn’t really care less about the EU” – but last week he walked through a rainstorm to put his cross next to leave. His vote was not only a sign that he, like many, had no prosperous future to risk but a message to the elites that he feels have let him down.
“People are sick and tired of being ignored,” he says. “I don’t suppose I’m the only one to use this opportunity. It was a chance to kick the whole establishment where it hurt, for us to send pain the other way. And we took it.”
Seems there's a mood about to bring the Temple down on everybody's heads.
Creating a situation where a protest vote can cause this much disruption globally is a Leninist's wet-dream and Cameron did it entirely by accident. Life never runs out of surprises.
I've been curious about something. In looking at voting maps I saw that Newcastle voted Remain while every other are around voted Leave. Is there something drastically different demographically/socially there versus all the surrounding areas?
Wondering, as I have a trip out that way planned for later this year (never been to the UK before), and none of the info I've been reading suggests a major difference in that one specific area. Any insight on what made them go the way they did?
Big cities generally voted remain. The area around is rural. There are very few immigrants, or non whites come to that, in the NorthEast region but the rural areas have even fewer. Perhaps not knowing anyone from outside the UK (or the village/town in many cases) is why they tended to vote leave, scared of the unknown/easier to blame someone you don't know.
There is also a lot of poverty in the region. It used to be a centre of coal mining but those jobs were all lost in the 1980's and unemployment rates have never really recovered. A lot of people voted leave because they are unhappy with their lot and reason that things can't get much worse.
That said you will be fine in Newcastle, it is a fun lively and welcoming city.
What are you doing there/what are you wanting to do there? I live 15 miles away and I might be able to provide suggestions if there is anything in particular you are looking for.
I've been curious about something. In looking at voting maps I saw that Newcastle voted Remain while every other are around voted Leave. Is there something drastically different demographically/socially there versus all the surrounding areas?
Wondering, as I have a trip out that way planned for later this year (never been to the UK before), and none of the info I've been reading suggests a major difference in that one specific area. Any insight on what made them go the way they did?
I've been curious about something. In looking at voting maps I saw that Newcastle voted Remain while every other are around voted Leave. Is there something drastically different demographically/socially there versus all the surrounding areas?
Wondering, as I have a trip out that way planned for later this year (never been to the UK before), and none of the info I've been reading suggests a major difference in that one specific area. Any insight on what made them go the way they did?
Proportionally better off and better educated. Newcastle has received a lot of regeneration money over the years and as a result is comparatively prosperous. Much of the rest of the North East hasn't fared so well. The regeneration has created a lot of good service sector jobs which in turn have attracted bright young things.
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