Official - Michael Jackson was scum

[John Nowak]

I'm not talking about when he's alone. I'm talking about when he's in the bed with a boy.

Can you prove it was only used when he was in bed with a boy?

 

[truethat]

Not really. He was a tad paranoid about being kidnapped or attacked by overzealous fans. The reported "triple lock" on his safe that the cops had to crack? It was one lock The other lock was the keypad lock to his "rooms" and the third was the keypad lock to the house. "Triple locked safe containing evil stuff" said the D.A.

This post is completely irrelevant to what he was saying?

 

[DragonLady]

He was a tad paranoid about being kidnapped or attacked by overzealous fans.

Actually, I can see that. Someone could break in, take him out, put him on a boat & hold him for millions in ransom. His family and fans would've paid it, I'm sure.

 

[John Nowak]

Absolutely true; no doubt about it. But, once again, we're talking about just another little weight on the scale. Taken alone, absent any context, it's no work at all to imagine a way that the alarm - OR the sleepovers, OR the books with naked kid pictures in them, OR whatever other individual thing - could easily be completely innocuous. But in Michael Jackson's case, the "little things" keep coming, and one has to keep making up more hypothetical stories to explain how Jackson just kept managing to do these completely innocuous things that happened make him look kind of like a pedophile....

I see where you're coming from and I don't necessarily disagree, but on this site doesn't this chain of logic typically end with "and that is why I believe in Bigfoot?"

Lots of weak evidence doesn't actually sum up.

 

[truethat]

We're not talking about imaginary creature, we're talking about reality.

 

[John Nowak]

We're not talking about imaginary creature, we're talking about reality.

Or an imaginary crime.

 

[Fudbucker]

Actually, I can see that. Someone could break in, take him out, put him on a boat & hold him for millions in ransom. His family and fans would've paid it, I'm sure.

Is this trolling? You can't be serious.

 

[HenryLee]

Is this trolling? You can't be serious.

Happened to the Lindbergh baby.

Sort of.

But not really.

Well, the first bit did.

 

[bruto]

Is this trolling? You can't be serious.

After all, it's not as if anyone ever harmed a rock star.

 

[Fudbucker]

After all, it's not as if anyone ever harmed a rock star.

In their bedroom?

 

[John Nowak]

Is this trolling? You can't be serious.

This was after John Lennon's murder, remember. It's not like everyone with an alarm system set it up to alert them while molesting children.

 

[Babbylonian]

This was after John Lennon's murder, remember. It's not like everyone with an alarm system set it up to alert them while molesting children.

And just to keep it on super-famous all-time great musicians who were also Beatles, in 1999 George Harrison was attacked in his home which had both cameras and on-site security personnel. He suffered head injuries and a punctured lung, and almost certainly would have been killed if his wife hadn't taken down the assailant with a fireplace poker and lamp.

There are few security measures I would consider too much or strange for someone as insanely famous as Michael Jackson.

 

[John Nowak]

Happened to the Lindbergh baby.

IIRC, wasn't he kidnapped from his bedroom?

 

[Fudbucker]

And just to keep it on super-famous all-time great musicians who were also Beatles, in 1999 George Harrison was attacked in his home which had both cameras and on-site security personnel. He suffered head injuries and a punctured lung, and almost certainly would have been killed if his wife hadn't taken down the assailant with a fireplace poker and lamp.

There are few security measures I would consider too much or strange for someone as insanely famous as Michael Jackson.

An attack like that (someone throwing a statue threw a window to get in) would persuade a paranoid person to hire more security or bodyguards (as you point out, another person stopped the attack not an alarm), not install a bedroom-only alarm. Was Jackson's alarm designed to alert security to come running into his bedroom? It sounds like it was designed to alert Jackson, who would then jump out of bed with his uzi and blow away the would-be kidnappers...

Or let him know if someone came into his bedroom suite while he was having some alone-time with little boys in his bed.

 

[Babbylonian]

An attack like that (someone throwing a statue threw a window to get in) would persuade a paranoid person to hire more security or bodyguards (as you point out, another person stopped the attack not an alarm), not install a bedroom-only alarm.

I didn't even suggest that a general alarm would have prevented the attack against George Harrison, let alone a bedroom-specific one.

What I suggested is that security measures that would seem Looney Tunes for a regular person, or even a very rich but relatively anonymous person (someone whose picture isn't in tabloids occasionally, let alone every single week), aren't crazy or suspicious when it comes to the home of Michael Jackson. I'd consider a bedroom alarm in that situation if for no other reason than it's the place where I'd be most vulnerable, and I'd rather be awake with a chance of escape than have somebody kill me in my sleep. I'd probably be even more scared if people thought that I was molesting children.

David Letterman had a stalker who got into his place and Rebecca Schaeffer (an unknown compared to the others I've mentioned) was famously killed by a stalker at the doorway of her apartment.

 

[John Nowak]

I'd consider a bedroom alarm in that situation if for no other reason than it's the place where I'd be most vulnerable, and I'd rather be awake with a chance of escape than have somebody kill me in my sleep.

You might not be able to install motion alarms in, say, the laundry room because people had to work there, but an alarm on the bedroom makes sense if the staff knew to avoid it. No idea if he had people working in his place 24/7, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[HenryLee]

IIRC, wasn't he kidnapped from his bedroom?

Out the bedroom through a second story window. Cemetery John told the family's go-between that the baby was on a boat cared for by a nurse. Ransom was originally 50,000 then raised to 70,000. Not quite "millions" but it was 1932 so that was real money. Well, more real at least.

Of course the baby actually died the night of the abduction making it all rather moot.

 

[Fudbucker]

I didn't even suggest that a general alarm would have prevented the attack against George Harrison, let alone a bedroom-specific one.

What I suggested is that security measures that would seem Looney Tunes for a regular person, or even a very rich but relatively anonymous person (someone whose picture isn't in tabloids occasionally, let alone every single week), aren't crazy or suspicious when it comes to the home of Michael Jackson. I'd consider a bedroom alarm in that situation if for no other reason than it's the place where I'd be most vulnerable, and I'd rather be awake with a chance of escape than have somebody kill me in my sleep. I'd probably be even more scared if people thought that I was molesting children.

David Letterman had a stalker who got into his place and Rebecca Schaeffer (an unknown compared to the others I've mentioned) was famously killed by a stalker at the doorway of her apartment.

If I was worried about that I would have a blaring alarm that would wake everyone in the house, esp. security, who would come running to save me. Or, if I had enough money, I would just pay a bodyguard to stand guard outside the bedroom door. I wouldn't install some doorbell chime you can barely hear. ESP. if I'm taking something like propofol before I go to sleep.

If you're paranoid about being attacked, and you take heavy sedatives to sleep, wouldn't you want your alarm to sound like the world was coming to an end? Wouldn't you have guns nearby for self-defense? I don't buy the paranoia explanation.

I especially don't buy it when the person who has such an alarm installed is also fond of sharing his bed with little boys, AND he's been accused of molestation... all sorts of red flags go up, and for good reasons.

"Asked what he does with children in his bed he says: 'When you say bed, you are thinking sexual, they make that sexual. It's not sexual. We're going to sleep, I tuck them in and I put a little music on and when it's story time I read a book.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ittle-boys-Michael-Jackson.html#ixzz4D0EQ7ufw

The point is brought up that no one would let their kids stay with him, and the reason is because MJ's behavior is indicative of pedophilia.

 

[Foolmewunz]

If I was worried about that I would have a blaring alarm that would wake everyone in the house, esp. security, who would come running to save me. Or, if I had enough money, I would just pay a bodyguard to stand guard outside the bedroom door. I wouldn't install some doorbell chime you can barely hear. ESP. if I'm taking something like propofol before I go to sleep.

If you're paranoid about being attacked, and you take heavy sedatives to sleep, wouldn't you want your alarm to sound like the world was coming to an end? Wouldn't you have guns nearby for self-defense? I don't buy the paranoia explanation.

I especially don't buy it when the person who has such an alarm installed is also fond of sharing his bed with little boys, AND he's been accused of molestation... all sorts of red flags go up, and for good reasons.

"Asked what he does with children in his bed he says: 'When you say bed, you are thinking sexual, they make that sexual. It's not sexual. We're going to sleep, I tuck them in and I put a little music on and when it's story time I read a book.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ittle-boys-Michael-Jackson.html#ixzz4D0EQ7ufw

The point is brought up that no one would let their kids stay with him, and the reason is because MJ's behavior is indicative of pedophilia.

No. The point is that like the OP, you're arguing from assertions and personal incredulity.

You want to diddle boys in private.... you dead bolt the front door, or put a chain lock on it. Ever stayed in a hotel? The staff can come through your keypad locked door at will. You have internal bolts or chains to prevent that. He had a chime. It went off when someone entered his bedroom suite, not when they were on the stairs. The staff and several associates had the keypad code. He just wanted to know when someone was coming and it could've been for multiple reasons, yet you've eliminated all but one of those reasons.

 

[Foolmewunz]

This post is completely irrelevant to what he was saying?

Hey, good to see you back. Now we can learn what we're supposed to think about this case.

The post is quite relevant. The poster claims that there is only one possible reason for having an alarm "in his bedroom".... GASP. There are several possible reasons.