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Fat Studies

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No, that is not an ironic subject title, it is a taxpayer-funded field of study at NZ's Massey University.

And sorry, it's not a study of the effects of lifelong obesity and the health problems it causes, but it is a study into how to get fat people laid.

Led by the enormous American refugee to NZ, the beautifully-named Cat Pause, and her not-quite-as-enormous-but-still-very-substantial friend, Substantia Jones, this year's conference, entitled: Fat Studies: Identity, Agency and Embodiment.

I hear restaurateurs in Palmy have all ordered new BMWs in anticipation of a very good week.

Another piece on the subject appeared today, (by someone who isn't fat) and it included a phrase I thought needed highlighting, because it's been said a lot in defence of fat people in recent years:

...anyone brainwashed by a mainstream media obsessed with thinness, smoothness, flawlessness and other conventional notions of what constitutes an attractive body...
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That is outright bollocks, and history proves that point.

At no time has being grossly obese been considered sexy. There have been societies where fatness was a sign of wealth, and therefore attractive from that perspective, but I know of no time when it was considered attractive to be a gigantic tub of lard. Certainly perceptions of beauty have included larger sizes, but there's a ton of french fries between an 18th-century full figure and the white whales of the 20th & 21st centuries.

The idea that electronic media has driven fat-shaming is nonsense. Fat kids have been bullied at school for as long as there have been schools, and long before TVs were commonplace, let alone the internet. The big difference is, there were hardly any fat kids in the past.

I'm more than happy for people to be as huge as they wish, but it is not a natural or healthy state to be in and this current trend of trying to "change attitudes" seems like trying to make obesity normal.

Protip: Do NOT search Google for Substantia Jones unless you want to see lots of photos of extremely fat women with no clothes on. Very tastefully done, she's an artiste, I believe.
 
Okay.

I'm not thin. Not fat either. Plump. Curvy, you could say. From my experience, and what I have been told, guys more often than not prefer this to the "brainwashed media idea" of excessive thinness, and grosteque fatness. See: the thread on bigg butts joey McGee made.
 
RogueKitten said:
Okay.

I'm not thin. Not fat either. Plump. Curvy, you could say. From my experience, and what I have been told, guys more often than not prefer this to the "brainwashed media idea" of excessive thinness, and grosteque fatness. See: the thread on bigg butts joey McGee made.
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Pretty much. A very evidence proof of that is look at which magazine have thin women : women's magazine, this is because it represent more "youth".

Now look at that is in men's magazine, I ain't even speaking porn but big speedy cars. What do the women looks like ? 8 form, hip wider than what you see in women's magazine, normal to big breast, and definitively not thin. In fact look at the infamous "booth babe" , same type.
 
It looks like self-help, motivation and empowerment for super-sized women. Depression is their immediate big enemy - even bigger than losing weight. Make them feel awesome and on-top-of-the-world. But it can be an odd thing if fully acceptable because the woman becomes motivated to not lose weight.

This is not for full figured women, it's directed at the really fat.
 
The Atheist said:
I'm more than happy for people to be as huge as they wish,
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Obese people are gross. The only thing they are good for is making the rest of us lose our appetites so we stay thin.

a mainstream media obsessed with thinness, smoothness, flawlessness and other conventional notions of what constitutes an attractive body
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That is outright bollocks
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Actually it's not. To a large extent the 'mainstream media' is obsessed with conventional notions of what constitutes an attractive body. How many ads for Coke or Mcdonald's use grossly obese actors? Yet those are the people they are targeting.

If advertisers did show real people in their ads then fat people couldn't imagine being thin rather than the gross tubs of lard they are. So they don't - because their customers are hooked on food and they don't want that to change.
 
RogueKitten said:
From my experience, and what I have been told, guys more often than not prefer this to the "brainwashed media idea" of excessive thinness, and grosteque fatness.
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So, what you're saying is, on average, guys don't want a woman who's too thin or too heavy, but somewhere in the middle. Seems reasonable to me.
 
It's speculative to say that most men really want plump women instead of any other possible body.

Nearly all of the men that I know do not want a chubby.
 
The terminology isn't at all standard. Chubby means entirely different things to different men and women. Same with the terms fat, plump, obese, curvy, voluptuous, slim, athletic, skinny, fit, etc.

Just because you use one of these terms doesn't mean that the listener agrees with you on what body that is describing.
 
38F could be found on a 130lb woman or a 430lb woman. The bust size alone will not tell you about the overall size or shape of the body. She could be hourglass or globe.
 
Healthy is anywhere between BMI 17-34. Which would probably be attractive to 90% of people.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Obese people are gross. The only thing they are good for is making the rest of us lose our appetites so we stay thin.
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Bloody helpful in strange towns, though. If you want somewhere to eat, go ask the fattest person you can find.

Roger Ramjets said:
To a large extent the 'mainstream media' is obsessed with conventional notions of what constitutes an attractive body.
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Sure, and I'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying that that image is not why people don't like women whose size is most likely to be compared to a blimp.
 
I hate it when, before digging into his meal, a fat guy says, "Man, I haven't eaten ALL DAY." Yeah, right.
 
RogueKitten said:
Yes. Neither do most women want a body builder or a stick figure. I believe.
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Speaking for myself, somewhere in the middle has been my preference. Of course, what exactly constitutes 'the middle' will vary by person.

In terms of what the body shape that is typically considered attractive by men, from what I understand it really comes down to waist-to-hip ratio, with the preferred ratio being about 0.8.
 
Corsair 115 said:
In terms of what the body shape that is typically considered attractive by men, from what I understand it really comes down to waist-to-hip ratio, with the preferred ratio being about 0.8.
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30:36 is in that range, but so is 90:108 ;)
 
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