Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

[Donn]

So the point is that there is grounds in quantum mechanics that at least theoretically supports Psi, which really is no different to entanglement. Information can be known by two entangled (related) persons (& animals) at a distance and known instantly. And IMO at any distance, including from the other side of the universe.

I'm even less of a physicist than you, which in sum totals little.

Whenever I read about entangled particles, the gist is that no information or signal unites the twain; at any speed. What happens is, again in my limited grasp, more like a coin flip: when you see a head, you know the other side is a tail.

The other point, most pertinent, is that people and animals are not quantum objects.

I think your conclusion is based on hope and not physics.

 

[Donn]

It has been demonstrated, even with the experiments done to date. But no matter how many experiments are done there will always be those screaming for more. The problem is that there are a lot of BIG financial interests at stake, quite apart from those that are simply skeptical.

Psi uncovers the true cause of disease because it shows that through toxic relationships nocebo effects can be created. When people understand this they can recover their health without the need of medical procedures and medicines in the vast number of cases. Hence the medical bubble bursts as it needs to because money is being moved vertically upwards and many people left in ruins. You only need to look at a country like the USA. It is in debt for many reasons but one of the biggest drains of money, both on personal and collective (government) level is disease.

This is a dictionary run through a shredder and then a blender. The resulting concoction resembles peanut butter; sans peas and butter.

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

Wow Michel, you are slipping. You missed a very obvious connection. You mentioned Edgar Mitchell having a name similar to yours. Add to that, Edgar Mitchell shares the same first name with Edgar Cayce. And we know all about Edgar Cayce.

See? Case proven. You are indeed telepathic, through the six degrees game.

 

[Daylightstar]

It has been demonstrated, even with the experiments done to date. But no matter how many experiments are done there will always be those screaming for more. The problem is that there are a lot of BIG financial interests at stake, quite apart from those that are simply skeptical.

Psi uncovers the true cause of disease because it shows that through toxic relationships nocebo effects can be created. When people understand this they can recover their health without the need of medical procedures and medicines in the vast number of cases. Hence the medical bubble bursts as it needs to because money is being moved vertically upwards and many people left in ruins. You only need to look at a country like the USA. It is in debt for many reasons but one of the biggest drains of money, both on personal and collective (government) level is disease.

There are no good quality experiments which show or demonstrate the existence of psi.
There are 'experiments' which create belief, but nothing more than that.

The rest of your post is off topic.

 

[kyrani99]

I'm even less of a physicist than you, which in sum totals little.

Whenever I read about entangled particles, the gist is that no information or signal unites the twain; at any speed. What happens is, again in my limited grasp, more like a coin flip: when you see a head, you know the other side is a tail.

The other point, most pertinent, is that people and animals are not quantum objects.

I think your conclusion is based on hope and not physics.

Your conclusion is the same as Einstein's except that he used a left and right hand glove for his example. This was disproved as I pointed out in experiments later done. Entanglement is a reality.

The point I make is that if there is a non-physical reality where there is information and no time and no space. If this is the case then it also provides the grounding by which the paranormal may be explained.

 

[kyrani99]

There are no good quality experiments which show or demonstrate the existence of psi.
There are 'experiments' which create belief, but nothing more than that.

The rest of your post is off topic.

The claim is that experiments regarding psi have to be done at a different standard from the rest of science. This is rubbish. And as far as belief is concerned that is really all we have for all of science because we can't have proof, we can only have evidence.

As for the rest of my post, it is hardly off topic if the paranormal is a major player in disease.

 

[abaddon]

Your conclusion is the same as Einstein's except that he used a left and right hand glove for his example. This was disproved as I pointed out in experiments later done. Entanglement is a reality.

The point I make is that if there is a non-physical reality where there is information and no time and no space. If this is the case then it also provides the grounding by which the paranormal may be explained.

Are you stating that you accept Michel H's claim that you can hear all of his thoughts all of the time?

 

[kyrani99]

Are you stating that you accept Michel H's claim that you can hear all of his thoughts all of the time?

No. I don't hear any thoughts of Michel H. What is more I don't even know whether I believe that he is what he says he is anymore. If he had a problem and someone tries to help him then why turn around and attack me?\

Telepathy, as far as I know, is only possible between related parties or where there are related parties involved as intermediaries.

 

[abaddon]

No. I don't hear any thoughts of Michel H. What is more I don't even know whether I believe that he is what he says he is anymore. If he had a problem and someone tries to help him then why turn around and attack me?\

Telepathy, as far as I know, is only possible between related parties or where there are related parties involved as intermediaries.

It is Michel H's claim that you do and are simply lying about it. It is Michel H's claim that all of us do and are lying about it.

 

[Daylightstar]

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The point I make is that if there is a non-physical reality where there is information and no time and no space. If this is the case then it also provides the grounding by which the paranormal may be explained.

In that case, then it also provides the grounding by which the elusiveness of elves may be explained

No actual paranormal activity has ever been actually demonstrated to actually have occurred.
Only the claims exist.

 

[Daylightstar]

The claim is that experiments regarding psi have to be done at a different standard from the rest of science. This is rubbish. And as far as belief is concerned that is really all we have for all of science because we can't have proof, we can only have evidence.
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There is nothing real to show for the claimed reality of anything paranormal. Nothing whatsoever.
Except claims. Nothing more.

As for science, simply look at the ability of science to steer a craft towards another planet, land on it and collect data.
Science can obtain results. The paranormal, not so much.

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As for the rest of my post, it is hardly off topic if the paranormal is a major player in disease.

Please don't present a One True Cause For Disease quackery argument in a thread about telepathy.

 

[Daylightstar]

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Telepathy, as far as I know, is only possible between related parties or where there are related parties involved as intermediaries.

^{Hilite by Daylightstar}
You don't actually know this, you just believe it.

 

[kyrani99]

It is Michel H's claim that you do and are simply lying about it. It is Michel H's claim that all of us do and are lying about it.

If we consider that he is genuine and he might be, I don't exclude that,
then I can understand how he may be convinced about this belief. It is done by foul game play and usually done repeatedly over a long period of time. It can be done for many reasons but always among those reasons is for narcissistic supply.

Foul play in short. Firstly a concealed threat is used, which means the person may simply feel a heightened metabolism and not know why.

Then an idea(s) is presented mentally (which of course involves strongly related parties). Telepathy is almost always involved in foul game play.

The effect that the heightened metabolism has (and especially the faster heart rate) is to trick the person into believing they have accepted or acknowledged the idea or ideas mentally presented.

So the person, who is unaware of the foul play will believe the idea, thinking that they accept it's validity. Toxic people call it "manufacture consent" or "manufacture agreement".

If you want to understand how the concealed threat and manufacture belief is done you can see the youtube videos I recommended to him, you can go here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11274318#post11274318 This gives the first video and you can go to my channel and find the rest. There are 5 in all, each video lasting about 25 mins on average .

 

[kyrani99]

In that case, then it also provides the grounding by which the elusiveness of elves may be explained

No actual paranormal activity has ever been actually demonstrated to actually have occurred.
Only the claims exist.

All information exists in this "information realm", including that of elves. All ideas and all imagination is already in existence and are only chosen and used.

Your claim of "no actual paranormal activity...." is the common claim of all skeptics. No amount of experimentation is going to be adequate.

You can see from personal /subjective experience that the paranormal is real. If you have ever been loved by another human being, you will know that the experience is there even in the absence of the person loving you, even when they are thousands of miles away.

If you have had children you will feel the connection even in their absence. If you leave them with a baby sitter and something is wrong, you will know it before any one tries to ring you. In fact most mothers or father who sense their child is distressed will make the call before any baby sitter even feels for their phone.

 

[kyrani99]

^{Hilite by Daylightstar}
You don't actually know this, you just believe it.

We use the word "know" when we have strong evidence. In fact, all of scientific theories are beliefs. We believe based on evidence. When we find evidence that contradicts the belief we abandon it.

 

[kyrani99]

There is nothing real to show for the claimed reality of anything paranormal. Nothing whatsoever.
Except claims. Nothing more.

As for science, simply look at the ability of science to steer a craft towards another planet, land on it and collect data.
Science can obtain results. The paranormal, not so much.


Please don't present a One True Cause For Disease quackery argument in a thread about telepathy.

What planet have we landed on and collected data? There are questions in people's minds that the Americans even went to the moon.

As for disease I did not say anything about a "one true cause". I said that telepathy is a critical factor because disease is about nocebo effects and they require toxic relationships. It was just a comment. Disease is not the subject of this thread.

 

[fagin]

We use the word "know" when we have strong evidence. In fact, all of scientific theories are beliefs. We believe based on evidence. When we find evidence that contradicts the belief we abandon it.

And your 'evidence' is? Strong or otherwise.

 

[kyrani99]

And your 'evidence' is? Strong or otherwise.

My evidence is strong. I was skeptical up until the mid 1990s but in the last twenty years or so I have seen heaps.

 

[fagin]

My evidence is strong. I was skeptical up until the mid 1990s but in the last twenty years or so I have seen heaps.

Go on then, produce some evidence. Heaps will do.

Unless it's heaps of ****.

 

[Daylightstar]

What planet have we landed on and collected data? There are questions in people's minds that the Americans even went to the moon.
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Venus, Mars. Other bodies as well, Titan, several comets, and yes, the Moon as well.

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As for disease I did not say anything about a "one true cause". ...

What you did say earlier was:

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Telepathy is a reality and everyone has it but many people don’t realize it. The medical industry and psychiatry deny it because it uncovers the true causes of diseases and so-called mental disorders. That means people could make themselves well and there is no money in that.
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You believe that your idea covers the One True Cause of Disease.