Brexit: the referendum

SusanB-M1 said:
That was fun - and a good, optimistic start to the day watching it! I had never heard of John Oliver before, but it looks as if there are quite a few similar you tubes to watch.
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There are oodles.
If you're sexy you can watch his show every week rather than those mini clips.
 
GlennB said:
Sticking with the brilliant logic that The Bookies are better than The Pollsters I'm going for a fairly comfy 'remain' vote. 54-46.

Post your predictions here :)
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Brexit 51:49 :mad:

and on that narrow margin, the UK economy is pushed back worse than after the 2008 crash :mad:
 
The Don said:
Brexit 51:49 :mad:

and on that narrow margin, the UK economy is pushed back worse than after the 2008 crash :mad:
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I'm guessing the bookies are right. For now, I think people are flirting with Brexit but, as with Scottish independence, when they cast their vote a lot of people will decide a Brexit vote is too reckless and will go with the status quo. The outcome will be a relatively comfortable win for Remain.

What will be interesting will be to see if people will become more interested in political questions that they have not felt competent to answer.
 
That Prodi of the European Commission during the time of Blair's government said once that there should be an end to the veto with regard to taxation in the European Political Union. No taxation without representation.

The EU isn't furthering the interests of the people. It's just protecting the interests of the German and French banks and the London financial community. The UK government may still have a veto with regard to the proposed behind closed doors constitutional Turkish and Ukraine membership of the EU, but British prime ministers almost invariably give way when they should stand firm. They aren't so sheepish when it comes to cutting benefits for the unemployed and disabled.
 
Henri McPhee said:
That Prodi of the European Commission during the time of Blair's government said once that there should be an end to the veto with regard to taxation in the European Political Union. No taxation without representation.
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Even if this did happen, we still have representation in the form of our MEPs :confused:

Henri McPhee said:
The EU isn't furthering the interests of the people. It's just protecting the interests of the German and French banks and the London financial community.
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That's an opinion not a statement of fact. IMO part of protecting the interests of the people is having a viable economy for them to work in which in turn relies upon having a stable economic model.

Henri McPhee said:
The UK government may still have a veto with regard to the proposed behind closed doors constitutional Turkish and Ukraine membership of the EU, but British prime ministers almost invariably give way when they should stand firm.
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Evidence for any of this ?

Many countries, not least Greece and Cyprus, have repeatedly stated that Turkey isn't joining any time.

Unless you characterise not getting everything you want all the time (in which case all parties in most negotiation have give way) the I don't recognise your description - as evidenced by the raft of concessions that the UK has.

Henri McPhee said:
They aren't so sheepish when it comes to cutting benefits for the unemployed and disabled.
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Well yes and no. They had to roll back some in the face of public opposition (an embarrassing U-turn IIRC).
 
Henri McPhee said:
That Prodi of the European Commission during the time of Blair's government said once that there should be an end to the veto with regard to taxation in the European Political Union. No taxation without representation.
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Decade old rubbish.

Henri McPhee said:
The EU isn't furthering the interests of the people. <gibber snip>
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Further conspiratorial nonsense.

I note you haven't addressed your previous erroneous post regarding the maximum sentence for Causing Death By Dangerous Driving...
 
Information Analyst said:
I don't think a lot of the public need Cameron to do that for them.
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I blame Farage. Not directly but certainly indirectly.

It has become obvious that immigration is no big deal for the leaders in the brexit camp. We have had Farage, Johnstone and Gove all declare in the last few days that they are pro migration, they just want to limit it to where there is a shortage of labour.

However a quick comparison between regional unemployment and foreign born residents shows little correlation. It is jobs and a shortage of local labour that attracts migrants. Of course, migrants living and working in an areas in turn creates even more jobs. Stopping migration will not solve the problem of overcrowded schools and hospitals. Attracting UK citizens from say, the Northeast (high unemployment very low levels of immigrants), to take jobs in the South East will still overload the Hospitals and Schools in the South East.

Unless there is a recession post Brexit there will still be a demand for labour in the South East and that demand will put pressure on the infrastructure. If you want to stop pressure on local services the answer is to stop creating local jobs and start to close businesses.

The pro brexit leaders don't want to stifle job creation and they will not let immigration bans prevent businesses recruiting from the worldwide market if businesses will locate in the UK.

They all have other reasons for Brexit. Johnstone and Gove want to lead the Tory party. Farage wants cheaper imports from China and less regualation. However they have all focused attention on immigrants as the main issue and the root cause of all problems. They have done this as it is an easy sell. Blaming others is a long established tactic in the world of politics. Prior to UKIP is was only the NF and BNP peddling xenophobia. UKIP and the leave campaign have in the last few years normalised the demonisation of foreigners and I don't doubt the constant narrative they have created led to a believer of their tripe deciding to kill a vocal opponent. A bit more honesty and she would still be alive.
 
The Bookies have 'remain' very warm favourites now at about 1-4
 
And that is just a cunning plan by the exiters to make sure of a low turnout of committed brexit voters!

/conspiracy off
 
SusanB-M1 said:
That was fun - and a good, optimistic start to the day watching it! I had never heard of John Oliver before, but it looks as if there are quite a few similar you tubes to watch.
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He use to do "The Daily Show" and he is rather famous* for performing this rap


on the TV series "Community".


*to the "Community" Tifosi.


How sexy do you feel now?
 
GlennB said:
The Bookies have 'remain' very warm favourites now at about 1-4
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I suspect the fact that Farage seems to have been front and centre the last few days rather than Boris Johnson has helped Remain. He has the charisma of a traffic accident, and no he isn't responsible for the murder of Jo Cox, but people look at the rhetoric that's come out of UKIP and wonder if it inspired the killer. That idiotic poster didn't help either.
 
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