Brexit: the referendum

He's built his career on EU membership, so he can hardly be considered impartial. If we were to leave then he'll have to be retrained to do something else.
 
ceptimus said:
He's built his career on EU membership, so he can hardly be considered impartial. If we were to leave then he'll have to be retrained to do something else.
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The UK will have no use for a professor of European law if you leave the EU? You know, just because you cast of the mooring, that doesn't put an outboard motor on the cliffs of Dover.
 
ceptimus said:
He's built his career on EU membership, so he can hardly be considered impartial. If we were to leave then he'll have to be retrained to do something else.
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It's actually the opposite - he will be in in increased demand if we leave the EU.
 
ceptimus said:
He's built his career on EU membership, so he can hardly be considered impartial. If we were to leave then he'll have to be retrained to do something else.
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Quite the opposite, in the event of Brexit, he and his ilk will be even more in demand.


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Puppycow said:
Not a Britisher here but I was listening to a podcast on my way to work this morning and Brexit was the topic.

I got the sense that "the elites" are almost all on one side of the issue (Remain) while the other side is mostly supported by those who are not "elites". Is that the general perception? And the main motivation for "leave" is that there is no other way to control immigration. As a member of the EU, Britain cannot independently set its own immigration policy.

Also discussed on the podcast was the Breaking Point poster, which the commenter described as "racist". Is being against unlimited immigration "racist"?
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It's not racist to be against "unlimited immigration" but the argument against it could be made in a racist way. I think Farage's billboard is playing to racist audiences.
 
Baroness Warsi switches to Remain

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36572894

A former chairman of the Conservative Party has switched her support from the Leave campaign to Remain.

Baroness Warsi told the Times the "hate and xenophobia" of the Leave campaign was "a step too far".

She said she realised she could no longer support Leave when she saw UKIP's "breaking point" anti-EU poster.

Vote Leave said it was not aware Lady Warsi had joined its campaign, while Nigel Farage defended the poster, saying it was "the truth"
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ceptimus said:
He's built his career on EU membership, so he can hardly be considered impartial. If we were to leave then he'll have to be retrained to do something else.
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His career is built on UK/EU relations, which will continue even if we leave. In or out, the UK will have a relationship with the EU. He points out that leaving will keep him in work for the rest of his life, along with many others, as they try and unpick UK/EU law. That job will take at least 10 years, mean decisions by ministers and civil servants and not be voted on and may never be fully achieved at all.
 
angrysoba said:
It's not racist to be against "unlimited immigration" but the argument against it could be made in a racist way. I think Farage's billboard is playing to racist audiences.
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No politician (MP, MEP) is or ever has been for unlimited immigration, ever. Any talk of unlimited immigration is scaremongering. It has never happened and it never will happen.
 
She's never actively supported Leave.

She has a history of flip-flopping on various issues - that along with dodgy expenses claims is why she's no longer a minister and no longer chairman.
 
angrysoba said:
It's not racist to be against "unlimited immigration" but the argument against it could be made in a racist way. I think Farage's billboard is playing to racist audiences.
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This morning Farage accepted that the people in that poster will not and can not come to the UK. He then went of a Shengen and Euro rant before accepting that we are not part of them either. Twat.
 
The Don said:
I for one support rationing, rickets, diphtheria, whooping cough, being able to use racially charged language to refer to anyone other than the English and all those other "great" things we "miss" from the 1950s. :rolleyes:

Of course a marginal rate of income tax at 90% would be a bit of a shock for Brexiters as would the tight restrictions on moving money around the world.
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Damn I was going to make (some of) those points. You missed the housing crisis though. And the pollution; the Great Smog of '52 lasted five days and killed more than 4,000 people.
Fascinatingly that was an era of almost entirely unrestricted immigration...
 
The Don said:
Yep. The highest marginal rate was 95% after the war, dropped to 90% for most of the 50's before going up to 95% again in the 1960's hence the Beatles lyric from Taxman...
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Well it was down from 99.25%, the highest rate during WW2. And don't forget Purchase Tax (the forerunner of VAT) which was 331/3%.

The Don said:
The public perception of the 1950's as some king of halcyon period when taxes were low, summers were long (and darkies knew their place) is a myth.
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True, but so few people know the realities.
 
ceptimus said:
He's built his career on EU membership, so he can hardly be considered impartial. If we were to leave then he'll have to be retrained to do something else.
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Oh dear me no. If the UK is actually stupid enough to leave the EU there's be even more need for expertise in EU law given that the UK (or whatever it's called after Scotland departs) will still have to adhere to all those EU regulations to trade with them, while having no influence on the creation of such laws.

ETA: Opps, this was already brought up.
 
ceptimus said:
She's never actively supported Leave.
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You're right, she never was on the Leave platfom, she just promoted the Leave position through social media.

ceptimus said:
She has a history of flip-flopping on various issues - that along with dodgy expenses claims is why she's no longer a minister and no longer chairman.
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I thought that she resigned over the government's position on Gaza.
 
Lothian said:
This morning Farage accepted that the people in that poster will not and can not come to the UK. He then went of a Shengen and Euro rant before accepting that we are not part of them either. Twat.
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I would like to see that.
 
The Don said:
Luncheon Vouchers had their 15 minutes of fame when Cynthia Payne allowed them to be used to pay for the services of her young ladies.
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It seems a bit murky whether they were real LVs, out of date ones, or a homemade imitation. Some sources suggest they were only used for food and drink in the house, and that the girls made their own arrangements with punters, otehr that they could be used for both. I think the only thing that can be said for certain is that it was an attempt to circumvent the prostitution rather than the tax laws.
 
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