I found the missing Jolt.

I took additional Air Force structural courses, which do not come with a degree.

It sounds like you worked as a mechanic and excelled in it and were then assigned tasks in structural repair and provided some course work in it, but were not formally educated in the design and analysis of structures.
 
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Hi Tony
Can you provide a list of building projects you have worked on.

I have structural design and analysis experience on aircraft, satellites, antenna towers, and ships. Are you saying the science and math behind the design and analysis of buildings is different?

If so, how?
 
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I have structural design and analysis experience on aircraft, satellites, antenna towers, and ships. Are you saying the science and math behind the design and analysis of buildings is different?

If so, how?

No, I am asking for a list of building projects you have worked on.
 
No, I am asking for a list of building projects you have worked on.

I have shown that I have relevant experience to question the NIST WTC reports and their explanations for the collapses.

Whether you accept it or not is not relevant.
 
It sounds like you worked as a mechanic and excelled in it and were then assigned tasks in structural repair and provided some course work in it, but were not formally educated in the design and analysis of structures.

Just to let you know that my structural and mechanical expertise is why the Air Force still use my inventions. In fact, my expertise has been called upon when stress cracks began to appear in the upper forward fuselage skin of the C-5 transports.

Lockheed engineers suggested a thin internal titanium plate be placed between the former and stringer and an external .063 aluminum patch be placed over the crack and internal plate after stop-drilling both ends of the crack.

I protested by saying that the internal plate would place too much stress on the skin of the aircraft, but my objections were overruled. To make a long story short, not even a year went by before small cracks began to appear beyond the outer edge of the external patch, just as I had predicted. Well, it didn't take long before Lockheed engineers deleted the internal patch from the technical manual, which is what I first suggested to Lockheed months earlier..
 
Ok, no list of building projects you have worked on.

The personal and unsound views of an anonymous poster like you as to what is, or is not relevant experience, has no standing and is not germane. Go play your little games elsewhere. You obviously don't want to have a serious conversation on the topic.
 
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The personal and inappropriate views of an anonymous poster like you as to what is, or is not relevant experience, has no standing and is not germane.

That's what you get on an open forum like this one.

I assume that's why you are posting here ?
 
Just to let you know that my structural and mechanical expertise is why the Air Force still use my inventions. In fact, my expertise has been called upon when stress cracks began to appear in the upper forward fuselage skin of the C-5 transports.

Lockheed engineers suggested a thin internal titanium plate be placed between the former and stringer and an external .063 aluminum patch be placed over the crack and internal plate after stop-drilling both ends of the crack.

I protested by saying that the internal plate would place too much stress on the skin of the aircraft, but my objections were overruled. To make a long story short, not even a year went by before small cracks began to appear beyond the outer edge of the external patch, just as I had predicted. Well, it didn't take long before Lockheed engineers deleted the internal patch from the technical manual, which is what I first suggested to Lockheed months earlier..

I am not saying you do not have any structural experience as a structural mechanic, supervisor/inspector, and repair manual specialist. I am saying it may not be enough to give you a full appreciation for the analysis, which generally involves things which would only be gotten through formal instruction and experience doing analysis.
 
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Go play your little games elsewhere. You obviously don't want to have a serious conversation on the topic.

Ok, let's get serious.

Please provide evidence of arsonists and explosives.

It's your claim and you need to provide evidence.
 
That's what you get on an open forum like this one.

I assume that's why you are posting here ?

I am posting here to point out legitimate problems with the story we have been given for the building collapses in NYC. Putting up with disingenuous barbs is not why I come here.
 
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Ok, no list of building projects you have worked on.


Not high rise building projects, but aircraft structural and metallurgy knowledge can be applied to building structures as well. After all, I have annealed structural steel plates at only 900 degrees F. in order to form them into complex shapes and heat-treating metals was also part of my job as well. In other words annealing and heat-treating allowed me to understand how fire affected the steel structures of the WTC buildings to the point of failure.

Did you know the airframe of an SR-71 expands inches as its airframe is heated in flight? To put it in perspective, you can apply the expansion of the airframe of an SR-71 with the effects of fire on structural steel of the WTC buildings.
 
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Not high rise building projects, but aircraft structural and metallurgy knowledge can be applied to building structures as well. After all, I have annealed structural steel plates at only 900 degrees F. in order to form them into complex shapes. heat-treating metals was part of my job as well. In other words annealing and heat-treating allowed me to understand how fire affected the steel structures of the WTC buildings to the point of failure.

Did you know the airframe of an SR-71 expands inches as its airframe is heated in flight? To put it in perspective, you can apply the expansion of the airframe of an SR-71 with the effects of fire on structural steel of the WTC buildings.

As I said, you do have experience working with structures, but it does not sound like you have ever done design and analysis and may not be fully appreciative of some of the issues raised about the explanations in the NIST WTC reports.

I know the SR-71 airframe expands significantly in-flight at high speeds and taking that into consideration in the design is why its fuel tanks don't fully seal until after takeoff and at cruising speed.
 
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I have shown that I have relevant experience to question the NIST WTC reports and their explanations for the collapses.

Whether you accept it or not is not relevant.
The test criterion for any claim is "Is the claim true?" All this boys talk about who has the biggest one is irrelevant.

If you Tony make an assertion in engineering physics which is true I will agree with it. Au contraire - if you make a claim that I regard as false I will disagree - and I am always prepared to explain why - in response to a reasoned counter claim argument. Rarely if ever for bare - unsupported - assertions.

If a multi PhD in structures makes a false claim - it is false. If NIST makes a false claim it is false. If Bazant makes a false claim it is false. If T Szamboti makes a false claim it is false. If ozeco41 makes a false claim it is false. In the event of the latter I am prepared to support my claims and so far I recall 1.5 claims which I have made and which have needed correction. Many which resulted from misunderstood communication have needed more explanation.

If an unqualified truther makes a true claim - it is true.

The key issue is "How do you decide if an assertion in engineering forensics is true?"

When truthers assert that it is not and debunkers post false explanations as to why it is.

OR vice versa. And that is the more complex issue..... ;)
 
...Did you know the airframe of an SR-71 expands inches as its airframe is heated in flight? To put it in perspective, you can apply the expansion of the airframe of an SR-71 with the effects of fire on structural steel of the WTC buildings.
Of course you can extend principles from one situation....and apply them in another. The test is "do you get it right?" (closely followed by "Who is good enough to know that you are right?) :thumbsup:

So far I have not seen anything in your technical claims which raises concerns for me.

(My apology for the deviation into procedural issues I raised in that recent post and did not edit fast enough. We can address those matters later if necessary.)
 
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As I said, you do have experience working with structures, but it does not sound like you have ever done design and analysis and may not be fully appreciative of some of the issues raised with the NIST WTC reports.
That could very well be true Tony. Contrast with you - you have posted enough evidence for many of us informed members to know with certainty that you do not comprehend many of the issues.....


....OR are telling fibs to support your dishonest CT agenda.
 
I am posting here to point out legitimate problems with the story we have been given for the building collapses in NYC. Putting up with disingenuous barbs is not why I come here.

The trouble is, you have people like me here as your audiance and as far as I am aware, I am allowed to post whatever I like within the forum rules.

I would like to see evidence of the arsonists and explosives that you claim were present.

Until you present the above there is no discussion to be had.
 
As I said, you do have experience working with structures, but it does not sound like you have ever done design and analysis and may not be fully appreciative of some of the issues raised with the NIST WTC reports

I know the SR-71 airframe expands significantly in-flight and that is why its fuel tanks don't fully seal until after takeoff.

Then, you should have known why the WTC buildings collapsed. Remember, fire will expand and weaken an exposed steel structure to the point of failure.

Here is a case in point.


Kader Toy Factory Fire

At about 4pm on May 10th, 1993, a small fire was discovered on the first floor of part of the E-shaped building. Workers were instructed to keep working as the fire was thought to be minor. The fire alarm in this building did not sound.

The building was reinforced with un-insulated steel girders which quickly weakened and collapsed. This part of the building was dedicated to the storage of finished products and the fire spread quickly. Other parts of the factory were full of raw materials which also burnt very fast... Fire-fighters arrived at the factory at about 4:40pm, to find Building One about to collapse.

The Kader buildings,...collapsed relatively early in the fire because their structural steel supports lacked the fireproofing that would have allowed them to maintain their strength when exposed to high temperatures.

A post-fire review of the debris at the Kader site showed no indication that any of the steel members had been fireproofed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kader_Toy_Factory_fire


Not long ago, a small business jet rolled into a steel frame hangar in California, which stated a fire. The fire soon weakened the steel structure of the hangar which soon collapsed upon the aircraft.


Private jet crashes into hangar at California airport, sparks inferno

Santa Monica Fire Department Captain John Nevandro told NBC Los Angeles that the crash was "unsurvivable.” He added: "The building actually collapsed and wrapped itself around the plane."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/p...california-airport-sparks-inferno-f8C11292403


In regard to the Windsor Building fire in Spain, the outer steel structure of the building collapsed due to fire leaving only the concrete core standing. Had the core been constructed of steel, the building would have suffered a total collapse.

Here's another account on WTC 7.


Chief Daniel Nigro's Report

Release date: September 23, 2007

Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.

2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.

3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.

4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
 

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