Ed Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 3

[TheL8Elvis]

Well, I can see why you had trouble earlier. Apparently it's impossible Guccifer could be telling the truth. Right. Carry on, intrepid skeptic.

Right.

If Donald Trump claims he's the next coming of Jesus Christ, being a "skeptic" doesn't actually require me to suspend belief and pretend it's possibly true, just because he said it.

Is that really how you approach the world ?

 

[Fudbucker]

Funny that people are freaking out because there were a couple attempts to hack Hillary's server given that we know for a fact that the state department system was hacked.

Government officials tend to get hacked a lot don't they?

The problem for Clinton is if someone got in her private server, where there were thousands of classified emails, and stole some classified info, that almost sounds...

grossly negligent?

 

[Fudbucker]

Right.

If Donald Trump claims he's the next coming of Jesus Christ, being a "skeptic" doesn't actually require me to suspend belief and pretend it's possibly true, just because he said it.

Is that really how you approach the world ?

Right because the guy who got into Bush, Powell, and Blumenthal's accounts simply cannot be believed when he claims he also got into Blumenthal's buddy Clinton's account. It becomes comparable to Trump claiming he's Jesus as soon as Hillary is involved.

Like I said, carry on.

 

[Tony Stark]

Government officials tend to get hacked a lot don't they?

The problem for Clinton is if someone got in her private server, where there were thousands of classified emails, and stole some classified info, that almost sounds...

grossly negligent?

There's a whole lot more classified info on the state department system which we know for a fact was hacked (remember the classified info on Hillary's server got there because subordinates emailed it to her). Yet you freak out because there were a couple of attempts on Hillary's server. *********** please. This is ridiculous.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Right because the guy who got into Bush, Powell, and Blumenthal's accounts simply cannot be believed when he claims he also got into Blumenthal's buddy Clinton's account. It becomes comparable to Trump claiming he's Jesus as soon as Hillary is involved.

Like I said, carry on.

Well, when it turns out there is no evidence that Guccifer hacked Clintons email, you can rest on your laurels because you were a "proper" skeptic.

Say, how do you prove a negative like that anyway ? What if it was the perfect hack and he left no trail ? And he printed out the emails,read all the emails, and then destroyed them ?

Are you destined to believe forever that maybe guccifer hacked her ?

Like some sort of Schrödinger's hack or something ?

 

[Fudbucker]

There's a whole lot more classified info on the state department system which we know for a fact was hacked (remember the classified info on Hillary's server got there because subordinates emailed it to her). Yet you freak out because there were a couple of attempts on Hillary's server. *********** please. This is ridiculous.

It's nice to get an accurate assessment of "freak out" from someone who's been having a meltdown about evil Republicans all day.

Anyway, none of this means much to me, I'm not emotionally invested in Clinton becoming president. I'm pointing out that Clinton's decision to exclusively conduct state dept business with a private email account puts her in legal jeopardy if any classified info was stolen. Based on all the hacking going on at the highest levels, I'd say there's a good chance someone got into her account.

Oh, but it's Clinton, so in Clintonese "good chance someone got into her account" translates to "logically impossible for any hacker to guess even the first digit of her password (Clinton2016)".

 

[Tony Stark]

It's nice to get an accurate assessment of "freak out" from someone who's been having a meltdown about evil Republicans all day.

Anyway, none of this means much to me, I'm not emotionally invested in Clinton becoming president. I'm pointing out that Clinton's decision to exclusively conduct state dept business with a private email account puts her in legal jeopardy if any classified info was stolen. Based on all the hacking going on at the highest levels, I'd say there's a good chance someone got into her account.

Oh, but it's Clinton, so in Clintonese "good chance someone got into her account" translates to "logically impossible for any hacker to guess even the first digit of her password (Clinton2016)".

You don't care are yet keep posting about this. Sure.

Your evidence that it was hacked remains at nothing. Nobody cares if you think there is a good chance.

And LOL at your pathetic strawman. Nobody believes that it was impossible that her server got hacked. We just require evidence.

And Republicans are evil. See the human trash they think should be President.

 

[Fudbucker]

Well, when it turns out there is no evidence that Guccifer hacked Clintons email, you can rest on your laurels because you were a "proper" skeptic.

Say, how do you prove a negative like that anyway ? What if it was the perfect hack and he left no trail ? And he printed out the emails,read all the emails, and then destroyed them ?

Are you destined to believe forever that maybe guccifer hacked her ?

Like some sort of Schrödinger's hack or something ?

If the FBI report clears her, he was probably lying.

You keep thinking I believe all this stuff, like I'm convinced she'll be indicted. I don't know if this Guccifer guy is telling the truth. But that doesn't mean I'm convinced he's lying. Maybe he is, but he's gotten into important people's accounts that were close to Hillary, so it's not totally outrageous he's telling the truth (as you claim). I simply don't know.

The burden of proof is not on me, because I'm not making any strong claims. Maybe she'll be indicted, maybe not. The burden falls on those who are convinced she will/won't. You're convinced she won't. We're both looking at the same evidence, and I just don't see anything that is totally convincing, either way. The stuff that's been leaked has gotten progressively worse for her, culminating in the IG's report. After reading that, it's hard to understand why you would believe a word she says on this (or really any subject, for that matter).

 

[plague311]

Perhaps that's what Guccifer did to Clinton as well.

Highly unlikely. When you run a private server you can track things like what IP address logs into a server or tries to access the account. If they were to brute force a private server it would be easy to catch in comparison. Two completely different scenarios.

And the bolded seem to be odds with any strong claims regarding Clinton's server (i.e., "Clinton's server was never compromised).

I said there is absolutely no evidence that it was compromised, not that it couldn't happen.

Or maybe you think it could have been compromised? Possibly? Tiny percent chance someone got in?

Anything is possible, but I don't assume something did happen merely because it could.

 

[Fudbucker]

You don't care are yet keep posting about this. Sure.

Oh, it's entertaining to me. I have the whole Summer off and chores I don't want to do. I'm not going to be emotionally devastated if they clear her. I'll just throw up a little when I vote for her over Trump. And pay you your $20, of course.

But if it goes the other way, some of you, who are totally convinced she's in the clear, really will have the carpet pulled out from under you. It will be very interesting to see the reactions here if that happens.

Your evidence that it was hacked remains at nothing. Nobody cares if you think there is a good chance.

Nobody cares what any of us think here. Yet you responded to me, so on some level you cared enough to bother replying.

And LOL at your pathetic strawman. Nobody believes that it was impossible that her server got hacked. We just require evidence.

Well, that's a start.

And Republicans are evil. See the human trash they think should be President.

That wasn't most Republicans. Most Republicans voted for someone other than Trump, and there are some prominent GOP members (and organizations, like National Review) who will never endorse him and that's not an easy stand to take.

 

[Fudbucker]

Highly unlikely. When you run a private server you can track things like what IP address logs into a server or tries to access the account. If they were to brute force a private server it would be easy to catch in comparison. Two completely different scenarios.



I said there is absolutely no evidence that it was compromised, not that it couldn't happen.



Anything is possible, but I don't assume something did happen merely because it could.

Neither did I. The question was whether the hacking attempts and Guccifer's claim are evidence. They are. Not particularly great evidence, but if there's a non-zero chance Guccifer is telling the truth, and/or those attempts from the IG report were successful, it does move the needle.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

If the FBI report clears her, he was probably lying.

I don't understand that logic. AT ALL.

You keep thinking I believe all this stuff, like I'm convinced she'll be indicted. I don't know if this Guccifer guy is telling the truth. But that doesn't mean I'm convinced he's lying. Maybe he is, but he's gotten into important people's accounts that were close to Hillary, so it's not totally outrageous he's telling the truth (as you claim). I simply don't know.

The burden of proof is not on me, because I'm not making any strong claims. Maybe she'll be indicted, maybe not. The burden falls on those who are convinced she will/won't. You're convinced she won't. We're both looking at the same evidence, and I just don't see anything that is totally convincing, either way. The stuff that's been leaked has gotten progressively worse for her, culminating in the IG's report. After reading that, it's hard to understand why you would believe a word she says on this (or really any subject, for that matter).

For right now, you are making the strong claim that Guccifer simply saying he hacked her server is evidence she was actually hacked.

I am not sure anyone but you believes that.

As far as Clinton and the evidence - sure, just like there is a possibility her email server has been hacked, there is a possibility she might have charges recommended, and she might get indicted. I'm not totally convinced she won't be charged, just 99.9 %.

The way I see it, the stuff that's been leaked has gotten progressively better for her, culminating in the IG's report that was nothing but a slap on the wrist, followed by repeated leaks that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing. And an endorsement by the president is also a positive indicator that nothing will happen to her.

 

[plague311]

Neither did I. The question was whether the hacking attempts and Guccifer's claim are evidence. They are.

I have to agree with Elvis. You're using something that is completely inevitable (hacking attempts) and the statements of a narcissistic "hacker" as evidence. They aren't. They wouldn't be used in any court of law at all.

Not particularly great evidence, but if there's a non-zero chance Guccifer is telling the truth, and/or those attempts from the IG report were successful, it does move the needle.

It may move the needle for you, but like I said I don't believe you have any experience in IT at all. I just don't see it as anything at all, and if he did hack the server he'd have information. Hackers are like murderers, they remember each and every one they performed. If he hacked in he'd remember how he did it, what he used to get in and what the final password was or else it would be useless.

 

[The Big Dog]

Neither did I. The question was whether the hacking attempts and Guccifer's claim are evidence. They are. Not particularly great evidence, but if there's a non-zero chance Guccifer is telling the truth, and/or those attempts from the IG report were successful, it does move the needle.

From a legal perspective, it does not matter if it was "hacked" because Clinton herself made access available to several people/entities without security clearances, including Justin Cooper himself, Platte River and Datto and the whole gaggle of lawyers at Williams and Connelly.

Plus they left the original cowboy server box at some insecure data processing facility in New Jersey.

 

[Fudbucker]

I don't understand that logic. AT ALL.

If the FBI report clears her, then Guccifer is either lying or can't corroborate any of his claims. He becomes a nobody either way.

For right now, you are making the strong claim that Guccifer simply saying he hacked her server is evidence she was actually hacked.

I am not sure anyone but you believes that.

Whenever someone makes a claim, and there's a chance they're telling the truth, it's evidence (unless the claim is outraegeously false, like seeing Jesus come down from the sky). Anecdotes are the weakest kinds of evidence, but they are evidence.

As far as Clinton and the evidence - sure, just like there is a possibility her email server has been hacked, there is a possibility she might have charges recommended, and she might get indicted. I'm not totally convinced she won't be charged, just 99.9 %.

The way I see it, the stuff that's been leaked has gotten progressively better for her, culminating in the IG's report that was nothing but a slap on the wrist, followed by repeated leaks that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing. And an endorsement by the president is also a positive indicator that nothing will happen to her.

Here you raise the biggest doubt I have about her being in trouble. It doesn't stem from Obama (he can't do anything other than vociferously support his former SoS) but from people like Warren, who immediately jumped on Clinton's bandwagon, before California was done counting the votes. If there's a dozen agents working on this, and an indictment was likely, you would think top-tier supporters would be quietly warned to back off a little. Obviously that hasn't happened, so either even the FBI isn't sure what they're going to do, or they're playing it real close to the vest, or they're just going through the motions at this point.

Originally I thought Clinton had about a 30% chance of being indicted. The lack of leaks and the high level of support have made me cut that in half.

 

[Tony Stark]

From a legal perspective, it does not matter if it was "hacked" because Clinton herself made access available to several people/entities without security clearances, including Justin Cooper himself, Platte River and Datto and the whole gaggle of lawyers at Williams and Connelly.

Plus they left the original cowboy server box at some insecure data processing facility in New Jersey.

When there is no indictment what will your excuse be? Surely you have thought of one. Perhaps Obama interfered on her behalf?

 

[plague311]

From a legal perspective, it does not matter if it was "hacked" because Clinton herself made access available to several people/entities without security clearances, including Justin Cooper himself, Platte River and Datto and the whole gaggle of lawyers at Williams and Connelly.

Plus they left the original cowboy server box at some insecure data processing facility in New Jersey.

Hilited is ********. Already been debunked multiple times over.

 

[Fudbucker]

From a legal perspective, it does not matter if it was "hacked" because Clinton herself made access available to several people/entities without security clearances, including Justin Cooper himself, Platte River and Datto and the whole gaggle of lawyers at Williams and Connelly.

Plus they left the original cowboy server box at some insecure data processing facility in New Jersey.

The whole hacking side-discussion is just one of the many ways she can find herself in legal trouble.

 

[Fudbucker]

I have to agree with Elvis. You're using something that is completely inevitable (hacking attempts) and the statements of a narcissistic "hacker" as evidence. They aren't. They wouldn't be used in any court of law at all.



It may move the needle for you, but like I said I don't believe you have any experience in IT at all. I just don't see it as anything at all, and if he did hack the server he'd have information. Hackers are like murderers, they remember each and every one they performed. If he hacked in he'd remember how he did it, what he used to get in and what the final password was or else it would be useless.

I have none. I just know that you can't always disbelieve someone like Guccifer. Probably he's lying. But it would be better for Clinton if he hadn't bragged at all. Because now there's a little bit of doubt: what if he is telling the truth?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Originally I thought Clinton had about a 30% chance of being indicted. The lack of leaks and the high level of support have made me cut that in half.

Julian Assange told UK TV yesterday that they have leaks pending publication regarding Clinton. He also said, though, that he thinks the chance of indictment is 0%. WikiLeaks found it relevant to tweet today that the Clinton campaign HQ is in the same building a few floors below Lynch's office.