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Republican state senator leaves party over Trump

Jrrarglblarg said:
I expect the remaining Republicans to divide like an amoeba on the floor of the convention hall, Trump Republicans one side, everyone else on the other, and run something like a Bush/Rubio write-in campaign.

The Republican Party can easily survive this infection, but only by amputating the gangrenous limb. This is just the first. I can respect him for standing by his principles. Mitch McConnell, not so much.
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There are a whole slew of photoshops "GOP Civil War" posters on the net...almost all of them parodies of the "Captain America:Civil War" posters.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
I expect the remaining Republicans to divide like an amoeba on the floor of the convention hall, Trump Republicans one side, everyone else on the other, and run something like a Bush/Rubio write-in campaign.

The Republican Party can easily survive this infection, but only by amputating the gangrenous limb. This is just the first. I can respect him for standing by his principles. Mitch McConnell, not so much.
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The one voice that rings so discordant to me is Mr. McCain's. Richey Bitch personally insults him and other like veterans living and dead (not to mention all the subsequent goonishness), and the distinguished senator nevertheless gets in line to "support the nominee." The reason: apparently he's feeling real Arizona heat as the coming election approaches.

Were I John McCain's age, with such a long and storied career behind me (including being a presidential nominee!), I think I might say it's simply not worth demeaning myself for such a reprehensible little man. Time to retire.

With dignity.
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
The one voice that rings so discordant to me is Mr. McCain's. Richey Bitch personally insults him and other like veterans living and dead (not to mention all the subsequent goonishness), and the distinguished senator nevertheless gets in line to "support the nominee." The reason: apparently he's feeling real Arizona heat as the coming election approaches.

Were I John McCain's age, with such a long and storied career behind me (including being a presidential nominee!), I think I might say it's simply not worth demeaning myself for such a reprehensible little man. Time to retire.

With dignity.
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You are still thinking of pre-Palin McCain, back when he had some dignity.
 
JPK said:
Good morning. What I find interesting is that Trump seems to be the perfect candidate for the GOP as of late. He is a product of the environment of fear that the GOP has been pushing for a very long time. The only difference with Trump, he doesn't have a filter in his brain. He doesn't know how to keep his ridiculous comments from spewing out of his constantly open mouth. (or tweets if there is not audience in front of him). This may also be due to the fact he isn't a politician with years of experience of being held accountable for things you say.
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Trump is simply the embodiment of the republican business model.

The rich utilizing fear, hatred, misogyny and (to a lesser extent with Trump) religion to woo the poor into voting against their own interests.

It is somewhat interesting to me that the conservative masses finally chose the blatantly greedy, consumerist candidate over the hyper religious one (Cruz). I dont think it can be argued that Trump is even a good man by really anyone's measure, so maybe we've reached a turning point where pretending to be religious isn't necessarily a qualification to be president anymore. That's progress, right?
 
We have to remember that, especially on the state and local level, the Republican Party is very successful. Here's the way I heard Sen. Mitch McConnell describe it on the PBS News Hour last night:
"We have a record number of U.S. House members, 54 senators, 31 governors, more legislators and control of legislatures, too, that at any time since the ’20s." Link to interview transcript
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NoahFence said:
It's nuts that this orange tinged twat is still relevant.
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No, it's democracy. Trump has just as much right to run for president as anyone else, and if people want to vote for the 'orange tinged twat' then that is their right too.

What's nuts is weak candidates such as Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina thinking they were relevant, and expecting us to vote for them just because they called themselves republicans. Trump is the presumptive nominee because all the other candidates preferred by the GOP were not preferred by the people. And that's also a pretty good indication of how relevant the GOP is becoming.

In fact, Trump is still relevant because of his obnoxious behavior. I suspect a large proportion of his followers admire him for not being afraid to stick his neck out and 'rock the boat' unlike all the other irrelevant Republican candidates who thought they could cruise in by towing the party line. Trump has shown us that real conservatives are not all in lockstep with the GOP, and while many of the attitudes he has brought out are ugly, they are at least honest. This what democracy should be, not everybody hiding their true feelings and voting for their party's candidate just to stay in the club.

And Trump will remain relevant right up until Hillary reaches the White House. After that, who cares? He will have served his purpose...
 
Regnad Kcin said:
The one voice that rings so discordant to me is Mr. McCain's. Richey Bitch personally insults him and other like veterans living and dead (not to mention all the subsequent goonishness), and the distinguished senator nevertheless gets in line to "support the nominee." The reason: apparently he's feeling real Arizona heat as the coming election approaches.

Were I John McCain's age, with such a long and storied career behind me (including being a presidential nominee!), I think I might say it's simply not worth demeaning myself for such a reprehensible little man. Time to retire.

With dignity.
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He has a primary coming up on August 30. With the Tea Party very strong in AZ, he has to play to the right to ensure the nomination. After that he's probably a shoo-in to be re-elected.
 
newyorkguy said:
We have to remember that, especially on the state and local level, the Republican Party is very successful.
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But can we expect it to stay that way? Mitch may think the Republican party is in 'great shape', but they just fielded 16 candidates that the majority didn't want. This suggests that a lot of conservatives are not happy with how the GOP is running things, and may not be such enthusiastic supporters next time around.

A large part of the GOP's success has been due to liberal complacency. But now that Bernie has riled up progressives, and liberals have begun to realize just how bad it could get with people like Trump in charge, I bet there will be a massive surge in Democrat voters. The tide turned with Obama, then ebbed as apathy sunk in again. But overall the country is moving left (or more accurately, back towards the center). This time I think we will see a tidal wave that drowns the GOP.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
...Trump has shown us that real conservatives are not all in lockstep with the GOP...
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The problem is few established conservatives consider Trump to be a conservative and there's little in his record to suggest Trump is a political conservative. I think people are confusing reactionary with conservative; they're not the same at all. Trump has shown us real reactionaries are not in lockstep with the GOP, anyway.
 
RobRoy said:
What ever happened to him?
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The GOP threw him under the bus and he didn't realize it, that's what. After years of calling him a RINO they let him get all the way through the primary, but nobody wanted to burn their political capital running with him and the McCain team had to scrape the barrel trying to find him a veep.

Because he got all the way to the top of the ladder the once he thinks the Republican Party likes him now.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
The GOP threw him under the bus and he didn't realize it, that's what. After years of calling him a RINO they let him get all the way through the primary, but nobody wanted to burn their political capital running with him and the McCain team had to scrape the barrel trying to find him a veep.

Because he got all the way to the top of the ladder the once he thinks the Republican Party likes him now.
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Thanks. I completely slept through 2008. :D
 
Stacko said:
Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham and Ben Sasse have already filled that position.
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Don't forget the Bush family and also Ted Cruz. Of course, for Cruz, it's arguably personal rather than principled.
 
sackett said:
And they'll each one of them kick, punch, claw, and eye-gouge to claim credit for being first.

Unless it turns out to have been bad tactics. Then they'll assail each other for being turncoats who betrayed the Grand Old Party in its Hour of Peril.

And point with pride & wiew with alarm.
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Have any of them argued over credit? Or are you making stuff up?
 
phiwum said:
Don't forget the Bush family and also Ted Cruz. Of course, for Cruz, it's arguably personal rather than principled.
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Cruz also hasn't said he isn't endorsing Donald. He's spinelessly taken no position.
 
Trebuchet said:
I think Cruz is a colossal waste of breath but I can't blame him for not endorsing a guy who claims his father palled around with Lee Harvey Oswald.
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I think the point was that Cruz should grow a sack and make it clear that he won't be endorsing/voting for Trump.
 
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