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Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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More picking and choosing by you. They were found Not Guilty That is the final judgment and the only one that matters. And the only thing that Knox was found guilty of will be annulled in time. She will be as legally innocent of any crime as you or me and wealthier as Italy will pay.

No. The Supreme Court ruled, 'not proven' due to insufficient evidence (even though there was an abundance of it).

There was big money involved and discretion was the better part of valour, or so Marasca-Bruno thought, forgetting their allegiance to the court and nodding to their politican roles.
 
You don't feel creeped out by someone who stabbed an innocent young woman in her room viciously in the neck and then came back to undress her.

Sheesh.

Fortunately I don't know anyone like that.

ETA - check that. Yes, Rudy Guede does creep me out.
 
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No. The Supreme Court ruled, 'not proven' due to insufficient evidence (even though there was an abundance of it).

There was big money involved and discretion was the better part of valour, or so Marasca-Bruno thought, forgetting their allegiance to the court and nodding to their politican roles.

No. The Supreme Court ruled "Not Guilty" due to an absence of evidence.as they do everywhere They leave without a blemish. That you have concocted bs evidence and are in denial is your own personal issue.
 
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No. The Supreme Court ruled, 'not proven' due to insufficient evidence (even though there was an abundance of it).

There was big money involved and discretion was the better part of valour, or so Marasca-Bruno thought, forgetting their allegiance to the court and nodding to their politican roles.
No. The Supreme Court ruled "Not Guilty" due to an absence of evidence.as they do everywhere They leave without a blemish. That you have concocted bs evidence and are in denial is your own personal issue.

Judge Bonsegna seems comfortable expressing in his "fact" section that they were exonerated. Oh way, Vixen thinks of Bonisegna as a lick-spittle.
 
No. The Supreme Court ruled, 'not proven' due to insufficient evidence (even though there was an abundance of it).

There was big money involved and discretion was the better part of valour, or so Marasca-Bruno thought, forgetting their allegiance to the court and nodding to their politican roles.

No, the Italians don't have a 'not proven' verdict. So, you're wrong.

The verdict was 'not guilty'.
 
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"Soccer" is an abbreviation of 'association football" to distinguish the game from "rugby football". It was often used in my youth for an informal game of football (in England).
 
Quite frankly, the antics of Amanda give cause for one to believe she is indeed a demon.

Possibly one of the most evil in living memory.

Vixen, I say this with all sincerity: you are legitimately one of the craziest people I've ever encountered.
 
Vixen, I say this with all sincerity: you are legitimately one of the craziest people I've ever encountered.

Unfortunately we're all encouraging her by participating/responding.

This thread has descended into a continuous fascination with what truly insane thing one poster is going to post next. I thought the thread had bottomed out when Vixen posted that photo of the window below Filomena's claiming it was proof there were not bars on it to support an easy climb.

Yet the photo clearly showed the bars!!!!!!!! That one took confirmation bias into rarefied air!

Then in her claim that Amanda Knox was the most evil person in history claimed that Hitler could be forgiven because..... how did Vixen put it..... at least Hitler was political. I'm sure someone will correct me if I have that wrong.

She also thinks most FOA secretly know Knox is guilty. I did not get the memo on that one!

Why register for an Abnormal Psychology class. It's all right here!
 
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Vixen, I say this with all sincerity: you are legitimately one of the craziest people I've ever encountered.

Same to you, with brass knobs on.

No, Vixen - it's time you took a long hard look at yourself. It really is a mystery to me, and I'm sure to others, just what motivates you in this deranged, misguided, pointless crusade. Yet you continue with your vicious, evidence-free, defamatory attacks against someone who suffered terrible personal tragedy and horrible injustice, dragged out over 7 and a half years by an out-of-control, dysfunctional judicial system.

It's frankly offensive that you choose to bracket your disgusting tirades with a reference to a deeply cultured entertainer like Dave Swarbrick at a time like this.
 
Bill,
I think we may need to take a step back here. We may have all of forensic science on our side (and yes, I do mean all of it. Backed up by some of the very top people in the field and multiple published journal articles. Including one in Forensic Science International by the founding father of forensic DNA technology Peter Gill). We may have the Italian Supreme Court on our side. We may have all of the facts on our side. But... and hear me out on this...

Vixen and the incredibly mentally ill pro-guilt community has the tabloids from ~2008 on their side. And Mignini who believes everything is a conspiracy theory connected to the Freemasons. And Darkness Descending (written by a tabloid journalist who also wrote a book self-describing his work as sleazy and corrupt). And... twitter trolls? Oh and that one guy who thinks he is God.

I can see how Vixen may mistake *us* as the crazy people here. After all, Amanda Knox is attractive, talented, and must have incredible willpower to make it through her 7+ year witch hunt. This probably makes people like Vixen and other sad internet trolls incredibly jealous and angry. Which is why they have latched onto her like a parasite. They use her to feed their empty lives. And now, it is becoming clear as day to anyone who knows how to think (at all) that Vixen and the rest of the pro-guilt community have been wrong all these years. This attractive, talented girl is now proving all of these cluster B personality disorders wrong. Wrong about something they have dedicated the past 7+ years of their lives to. Wrong about everything. How sad is that? When people who brag on the internet about belonging to high IQ societies are THIS incredibly wrong about something so blindingly obvious (to anyone with a brain), something has to break. They can't possibly accept that they just aren't. very. smart. (by any objective standard)

So, reality HAS TO be distorted even more. It is imperative. Vixen's ego must be protected. Amanda isn't just a manipulative, narcissistic, temptress witch. She has graduated to full blown *demon* status. In fact, she is probably one of the most historically evil *demons* in living memory. Worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, and the worst mass murderers in history. Because they had politics as an excuse (according to Vixen). Yeah Stalin may have been evil, but he was no AMANDA KNOX.

Yeah, Amanda may ACTUALLY be a demon sent from the depths of hell. On a mission to prove that Vixen is wrong about everything and a complete joke. This whole Meredith thing involving the top forensic science people on the planet and the Italian Supreme Court is just a charade. What *actually* matters is that Vixen retains her beliefs that she is quite smart and not all that crazy after all. Vixen has it all figured out.

This is why we are the crazy ones, Bill. Because we are the good guys who protect the innocent from crazy lynch mobs.
 
A classic and pertinent article by our friend Stilicho over at trustjustice.org. Very relevant today, but not for the reasons he intended:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/conspiracy_theorists_follow_a_well_known_pattern_-_they_all_end_up/

Conspiracy Theorists Follow A Well Known Pattern - They ALL End Up Out Of Steam And Ignored
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[above: conspiracy theorists don’t want you to believe that is an aircraft]

Conspiracy Theories And Those That Surround Meredith’s Murder:

What do the Apollo moon landings, the JFK assassination, the 9/11 attacks, and Meredith Kercher’s murder all have in common?

They have each attracted the vigorous cult-like attention of conspiracy theorists. Despite the cold hard fact that in each case there has been ample documentation to support what might best be called the official story.

We know from independent and highly credible and very respected sources that the Apollo missions were successful, that a lone gunman shot and killed the US president in Dallas, that a terrorist group was responsible for hijacking of four aircraft, that the World Trade Center complex was destroyed by the subsequent fires..

And that Knox, Sollecito and Guede attacked and killed Meredith in her rented room in Perugia on the first of November in 2007.

Among the dozens of similarities between the Meredith case conspiracy theorists and others, we will focus on those made most apparent by the words and actions of those advocating for Knox and (occasionally) Sollecito.

A Commonality: Lack Of Any Coherent Alternate Narrative:

The court was obliged to create a logical narrative supported by the evidence. That narrative, briefly, states that Knox and Sollecito encountered Guede after they found they had no obligations that evening, consumed drugs that lowered their inhibitions, and entered Meredith’s room.

What followed was a sexual assault upon the young British woman, the active participation of each of the three accused, Meredith’s attempts to scream for help, and the silencing of the victim by covering her mouth, throttling her and finally stabbing her in the throat. The three assailants then departed after locking Meredith’s bedroom door.

Her mobile phones and keys were taken by Knox and Sollecito to be discarded in a remote location. Once it was apparent that the authorities had not responded to Meredith’s screams, Knox and Sollecito returned to the cottage to stage a break-in and to obscure as much evidence of their presence as was possible.

Those advocating for Knox and Sollecito have never supplied a coherent narrative to refute the official story.

Similarly, 9/11 truthers have never been able to agree on much apart from their strident belief that the official story simply must be wrong. Various hypotheses have been advanced and withdrawn in the face of objections by scientists, engineers, and even rival truther factions.

There is a no-planer faction that argues there were no planes hijacked and that all the video and film evidence was created in a government production studio. There is a controlled demolition faction that argues government agents secretly wired unknown explosive devices in one of the busiest office buildings in the world while nobody noticed. There are others who believe the leaseholder of the site ordered the demolition because of concerns about asbestos replacement.

When asked how Guede gained entry to the cottage, conspiracy theorists promote three main theories without selecting the one they all agree upon.

They argue that Guede entered through Filomena’s window OR that Meredith let him in the house herself OR that he entered by unknown means and was there before she returned home at roughly 21:00.

Because conspiracy theorists are not constrained by the requirement for a logical narrative they will pick any of the three available and contradictory claims.

A Commonality: An Aversion To Respecting Good Science:

The Apollo moon landing hoaxes have a lot in common with the advocacy sites proclaiming the innocence of Knox and Sollecito.

Apart from the development of the atomic bomb, there has likely been no human technological achievement so intensively documented as the Apollo programme.

Among the many claims of the conspiracists is the position that late-Sixties technology and instrumentation was insufficient or too bulky to allow the moon landings to take place. They compare the size and power of 21st century computing hardware and software with that of 1969 and make their conclusions based on a perceived inadequacy of the previous era’s equipment.

In Meredith’s case there are several advocacy sites that criticise the scientific police on exactly the same basis.

The techniques employed by (mainly) Dr Stefanoni, in determining the presence of Meredith’s DNA on a knife found in Sollecito’s drawer, are attacked partly because the equipment had not been used this way before.

Just to be sure of their position, however, they add confidently that she simply could have faked the results or kept her tweezers in a beaker of Meredith’s DNA accidentally left in the laboratory. It matters little to the unscientific mind of the conspiracy theorist that Stefanoni’s techniques were fully documented and observed by an independent party as required by law.

A Commonality: Lack Of A Credible Alternate Suspect:

Wrongful convictions happen. There are dozens of them documented on a site operated by The Innocence Project, an American advocacy group. Its banner proudly proclaims that 258 convictions had been overturned.

The foundation seizes upon several important facets of wrongful convictions including DNA evidence and improper defence counselling. In almost all the 258 cases there is another common feature: a credible alternate suspect.

JFK conspiracy theorists have never been able to establish a credible alternate suspect - and neither have Knox/Sollecito advocates.

The latter have not yet gone so far as to accuse the Mafia, Fidel Castro, the Teamsters Union, LBJ, Nixon, the CIA and a man carrying an umbrella in Dealey Plaza. But their attempt to establish Guede as the sole perpetrator accomplishes the same thing.

Just in case the ‘lone wolf’ doesn’t make any sense, they are not beyond implicating even Filomena, falsely claiming that it is only her word against that of Knox that Meredith did not normally lock her bedroom door.

There was only one attempt to identify an alternate suspect and that was made by Knox herself. She told police investigators that Patrick, her boss, was the killer.

She is one step ahead of those proclaiming her innocence; she knew better than they that without another explanation it is she and Sollecito who remained the prime suspects. She also knows, more than her supporters, that naming Guede instead would invite reciprocation.

Conclusions About Conspiracy Theorists

As briefly illustrated above, the length and depth of those being falsely implicated by the mostly anonymous Knox/Sollecito conspiracy theorists, untethered by the 80,000 pound gorilla in the room, the Massei Report, now knows few bounds.

This has now reached such levels of absurdity that they are increasingly being laughed at or, for the most part, ignored. Nobody - really nobody - in either the Italian or American governments is paying them even the slightest attention.

Meredith’s case is showing to the clear-thinking and objective world that Italy has an enviable justice system, that it is very careful and very humane, and that its scientific and forensic techniques are among the vanguard in applied criminal research.

And with no obvious way of obtaining special gains for themselves (or for that matter of hitting back against the anonymous attacks) the very fine police and investigators and prosecutors and judges and juries in Italy are doing the very best they can for Meredith.
 
Bill,
I think we may need to take a step back here. We may have all of forensic science on our side (and yes, I do mean all of it..............

< ..... sinister deletia ..... >

I can see how Vixen may mistake *us* as the crazy people here.

< ..... more sinister deletia ..... >

Yeah, Amanda may ACTUALLY be a demon sent from the depths of hell. On a mission to prove that Vixen is wrong about everything and a complete joke. This whole Meredith thing involving the top forensic science people on the planet and the Italian Supreme Court is just a charade. What *actually* matters is that Vixen retains her beliefs that she is quite smart and not all that crazy after all. Vixen has it all figured out.

This is why we are the crazy ones, Bill. Because we are the good guys who protect the innocent from crazy lynch mobs.

If it is all the same, I'm going to hedge my bets on that God-thing. One can never be too careful.

Otherwise, I've never been called crazy before in a manner which actually describes how crazy I am! Right back at you dude (or dudette)!

ETA - when I cleaned-up my pile of Masonic magazines ("Masonism Today", "Masons and Carpentry", "Masons and the Italian Legal System", and "Masons and the history of the NHL", are some of the titles)...... I found the memo. It turns out Vixen is right. We've been instructed by PR-Central not to let on we secretly believe AK and RS are guilty. Whew; almost blew it.

Cleanliness is next to Ergonness.
 
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A classic and pertinent article by our friend Stilicho over at trustjustice.org. Very relevant today, but not for the reasons he intended:

A magical kitchen knife that warps across town when needed to pick up Meredith's DNA. Rudy snooping around the cottage on CCTV before AK and RS know they will be free to randomly pick up the stranger they don't know. A long huge commotion at the cottage while a tow truck and two cars with multiple occupants parked right outside reported a silent dark cottage. A break-in staged in a peculiar way that coincidentally precisely resembled another genuine break-in by the burglar a few blocks away.

It's all very coherent when you're drowning in cognitive bias because you could tell the nasty b***h did it just by looking at her smug evil face ;)
 
No. The Supreme Court ruled, 'not proven' due to insufficient evidence (even though there was an abundance of it).

There was big money involved and discretion was the better part of valour, or so Marasca-Bruno thought, forgetting their allegiance to the court and nodding to their politican roles.

Tripe!

The ISC ruled not guilty because there was a lack of (ie zero) evidence. And there IS zero evidence, so it follows....there is zero proof.

There was no "big money involved". This insults Italy and its authorities to a point where you are brazen enough to fly the Italian erhic when it suits you and rabid enough to turn on them when it doesn't.

Apart from that it's a well written load of codswallop.

It is somebody else on this forum who constantly asks, "Do you ever think before you hammer away at the keyboard."...or words to that effect.
 
If it is all the same, I'm going to hedge my bets on that God-thing. One can never be too careful.

Otherwise, I've never been called crazy before in a manner which actually describes how crazy I am! Right back at you dude (or dudette)!

ETA - when I cleaned-up my pile of Masonic magazines ("Masonism Today", "Masons and Carpentry", "Masons and the Italian Legal System", and "Masons and the history of the NHL", are some of the titles)...... I found the memo. It turns out Vixen is right. We've been instructed by PR-Central not to let on we secretly believe AK and RS are guilty. Whew; almost blew it.

Cleanliness is next to Ergonness.

Reading Stillcho's little article about conspiracy theorists is humorous as hell. I have to wonder if he sees any irony in the other controversies he compares the Kercher murder to? I do because Knox and Sollecito's involvement is the crazy conspiracy theory that contradicts history, not the other way around.

Like the Warren and 911 commissions the institutional memory (Bruno Marasca) not only doesn't support his premise but directly contradicts it Only the guilter nutters aka Conspiracy theorists supports his thinking, the general population does not.

Nice try Stillcho. As Paul Simon use to sing, "still crazy, after all these years".
 
No, Vixen - it's time you took a long hard look at yourself. It really is a mystery to me, and I'm sure to others, just what motivates you in this deranged, misguided, pointless crusade. Yet you continue with your vicious, evidence-free, defamatory attacks against someone who suffered terrible personal tragedy and horrible injustice, dragged out over 7 and a half years by an out-of-control, dysfunctional judicial system.

It's frankly offensive that you choose to bracket your disgusting tirades with a reference to a deeply cultured entertainer like Dave Swarbrick at a time like this.

Gutted!!! I found out today Dave Swarbrick died yesterday. One of the true greats.

Your heroine is the author of her own sorry charade. What's disgusting is this person touting herself as a 'friend' of Mez. Urgh.
 
Reading Stillcho's little article about conspiracy theorists is humorous as hell. I have to wonder if he sees any irony in the other controversies he compares the Kercher murder to? I do because Knox and Sollecito's involvement is the crazy conspiracy theory that contradicts history, not the other way around.

Like the Warren and 911 commissions the institutional memory (Bruno Marasca) not only doesn't support his premise but directly contradicts it Only the guilter nutters aka Conspiracy theorists supports his thinking, the general population does not.

Nice try Stillcho. As Paul Simon use to sing, "still crazy, after all these years".

As Paul Simon also used to sing, 'he was a most peculiar man'.
 
Gutted!!! I found out today Dave Swarbrick died yesterday. One of the true greats.

Your heroine is the author of her own sorry charade. What's disgusting is this person touting herself as a 'friend' of Mez. Urgh.

What's really disgusting are morons suggesting she wasn't. Attending concerts and festivals together. Drawing tattoos on each other. Sending texts with kisses. Definitely sounds like friends to me.
 
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