Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Like clockwork, Vixen proves my point. Not only is Boninsegna a "lick spittle", he's now a "bl'ming idiot", all because of the conclusion at which he arrived. (Not a word of analysis from Vixen at all, just more ad hominem.)

So - why is it a brinksmanship exercise? Oh, never mind.

It's what judges do when they think a case should never have been brought. We have the word of one person against another. We know Amanda is a liar, the police know, her counsel know, her parents know, her family know, everybody knows. However, at the end of the day, how can the courts determine which is the truth one way or another. Boninsegnia (_sp?) no doubt thought he had an impossible task, too oppressive to find her guilty, as it might have happened and yet an acquittal is a disaster, too, so he does what judges do, rips apart the party that brought the case. As Andrea Vogt calls it, a 'side show'.

We have the calunnia guilty verdict, all else is an add-on: a waste of everybody's time and money.

Well, it is great that you're finally criticizing Giuliano Mignini for something, wasting everyone's time and money - now if you'd only extend that sentiment to Mignini conducting an illegal set of interrogations on Nov 5/6 2007, then we're on to something. I mean, where were the lawyers for Lumumba and/or Sollecito?

But one continues to set one's watch by Vixenisms. Boninsegna, the judge formerly known as "lick-spittle" and "bl'ming idiot", is now someone who thinks the case against Amanda should never have been brought!

Why didn't you say that way, way up thread, because it is what we've been saying.

However, Napoleoni, et al. DID bring the case - and now we actually are finding out the conduct of that interrogation. There's an expression in English soccer (football) to describe this......

OWN GOAL.

Y'see their obsession with Knox caught up to them. Now you're blaming the judge. Sure, Vixen, Sure. Hellmann is to blame, Marasca/Bruno were to blame, and now Boninsegna is to blame.

When does your obsession with Knox catch up to you? Belay that, already happened!

 

[acbytesla]

However, Napoleoni, et al. DID bring the case - and now we actually are finding out the conduct of that interrogation. There's an expression in English soccer (football) to describe this......

OWN GOAL.

Y'see their obsession with Knox caught up to them. Now you're blaming the judge. Sure, Vixen, Sure. Hellmann is to blame, Marasca/Bruno were to blame, and now Boninsegna is to blame.

When does your obsession with Knox catch up to you? Belay that, already happened!

She keeps blaming the score keepers for the loss instead of the players.

 

[Vixen]

Interesting as that was not what this case was about. No it was about what took place during the interview. What Boninsegna determined that it was the police that were lying or hiding the truth and that they were derelict in their duty to safeguard Amanda Knox's rights. He was highly suspicious of the police accounts because not only was there not an audio or video recording but the minutes of the interview were far too short to be believed, Cleary more had happened so where are the complete minutes? He determined that it was the police that broke the law on November 5/6 not Amanda.

Well, no, he could not have concluded that as that was never pleaded.

 

[Vixen]

Well, it is great that you're finally criticizing Giuliano Mignini for something, wasting everyone's time and money - now if you'd only extend that sentiment to Mignini conducting an illegal set of interrogations on Nov 5/6 2007, then we're on to something. I mean, where were the lawyers for Lumumba and/or Sollecito?

But one continues to set one's watch by Vixenisms. Boninsegna, the judge formerly known as "lick-spittle" and "bl'ming idiot", is now someone who thinks the case against Amanda should never have been brought!

Why didn't you say that way, way up thread, because it is what we've been saying.

However, Napoleoni, et al. DID bring the case - and now we actually are finding out the conduct of that interrogation. There's an expression in English soccer (football) to describe this......

OWN GOAL.

Y'see their obsession with Knox caught up to them. Now you're blaming the judge. Sure, Vixen, Sure. Hellmann is to blame, Marasca/Bruno were to blame, and now Boninsegna is to blame.

When does your obsession with Knox catch up to you? Belay that, already happened!

Let's get one thing out of the way. It is called 'FOOTBALL' not 'soccer'.

AIUI under Italian penal code police were obliged to file a charge, presumaby under the draconian anti-mafia tactics. But what might be appropriate for mafia gangsters, doesn't translate well towards an amateur criminal.

What is remarkable is Amanda and her legal team never raised a formal complaint. If all of this police brutality really happened, surely you will agree the onus is on the person making the complaint to take it forward.

You can't just go around making serious allegations and not expect the other party to take necessary action to set the record straight.

As a passersby witness there was no need for the cops to read out the miranda.

 

[Vixen]

She keeps blaming the score keepers for the loss instead of the players.

They say psychopaths cause chaos and disruption wherever they go and Amanda certainly has been true to form in this. As for the grinning ninny that is Raff, let's hope Papa Raff keeps a tighter rein on him, in future.

 

[acbytesla]

Well, no, he could not have concluded that as that was never pleaded.

No, that's now how it works. He's the judge and he can use what he nneds to come to his decision. If similar interviews include ten times as many pages of minutes it's more than reasonable for him to view that suspiciously.

 

[acbytesla]

Let's get one thing out of the way. It is called 'FOOTBALL' not 'soccer'.

Not on this continent sweetheart. Here "FOOTBALL" is a violent game of collision, not the gentile game of "soccer" played by our children on Saturdays. And the moniker "soccer" was made up by the English, not the North Americans. But I love both.

 

[bagels]

They say psychopaths cause chaos and disruption wherever they go and Amanda certainly has been true to form in this. As for the grinning ninny that is Raff, let's hope Papa Raff keeps a tighter rein on him, in future.

Chaos and disruption follows Rudy Guede around a lot. Law offices missing laptops and windows. Nurseries missing money and knives. Cottage missing its living breathing occupant.

Meanwhile Amanda Knox had a wide circle of friends, family, teachers, etc.

It's really powerful, the PGP cognitive bias spell. I can't put myself in the mindset. That's why this case is so interesting to me.

 

[acbytesla]

They say psychopaths cause chaos and disruption wherever they go and Amanda certainly has been true to form in this. As for the grinning ninny that is Raff, let's hope Papa Raff keeps a tighter rein on him, in future.

Excuse me? Disruption! Chaos? ? Neither has been the cause of chaos and disruption. They didn't choose to be falsely arrested, that was De Felice Giobbi et al. Amanda and Raff like the dozen or others on the MOF case didn't choose to be falsely charged with crimes, that the moron Mignini He's the real psychopath.

As I said, you keep blaming the wrong people. But that is par for the course for you.

 

[Annella]

Excuse me? Disruption! Chaos? ? Neither has been the cause of chaos and disruption. They didn't choose to be falsely arrested, that was De Felice Giobbi et al. Amanda and Raff like the dozen or others on the MOF case didn't choose to be falsely charged with crimes, that the moron Mignini He's the real psychopath.

As I said, you keep blaming the wrong people. But that is par for the course for you.

It is interesting that Vixen and her fellow PGP mates believe that Amanda is doing everything in her power to ' twist' the imaginary knife they saw in her hands and exploiting what they see as her ' getting away with murder'. The truth is plain to see. Well, for those with eyes wide open at least. Amanda has not uttered a word since her piece after the definitive acquittal from Italy's highest Court in March last year, some words at a function at Loyola Law School, a couple on Innocence Project functions ( all not open to public) and her columns at the West Seattle Herald.
'Tis interesting to see a self confessed MENSA mind go so off course! I'd hazard a guess the Mensa hierarchy want no part of that person about now. IMO only of course.

 

[Annella]

Let's get one thing out of the way. It is called 'FOOTBALL' not 'soccer'.

AIUI under Italian penal code police were obliged to file a charge, presumaby under the draconian anti-mafia tactics. But what might be appropriate for mafia gangsters, doesn't translate well towards an amateur criminal.

What is remarkable is Amanda and her legal team never raised a formal complaint. If all of this police brutality really happened, surely you will agree the onus is on the person making the complaint to take it forward.

You can't just go around making serious allegations and not expect the other party to take necessary action to set the record straight.

As a passersby witness there was no need for the cops to read out the miranda.

You know this...how?!!!

 

[Annella]

Not on this continent sweetheart. Here "FOOTBALL" is a violent game of collision, not the gentile game of "soccer" played by our children on Saturdays. And the moniker "soccer" was made up by the English, not the North Americans. But I love both.

Precisely! Football is called Rugby here downunder, and we hold the World Cup right now. ( Twice in a row actually. Goooooo the All Blacks! )

Great to hear Raffaele is involved in a local Rugby Football team....and of course Amanda was a Fox when it came to playing soccer.

 

[acbytesla]

You know this...how?!!!

I'm not sure what constitutes a formal complaint in Vixen's mind. But it's easy to see why they wouldn't want to do this given Italy's legal system's penchant of retaliation of anyone who questions authority. It's worth noting that this most recent police callunia trial is the result of issuing a complaint. Instead of investigating, they charge you criminally and sue you for making the complaint. A bit of a Catch 22 there don't you think Major Major?

 

[Annella]

I'm not sure what constitutes a formal complaint in Vixen's mind. But it's easy to see why they wouldn't want to do this given Italy's legal system's penchant of retaliation of anyone who questions authority. It's worth noting that this most recent police callunia trial is the result of issuing a complaint. Instead of investigating, they charge you criminally and sue you for making the complaint. A bit of a Catch 22 there don't you think Major Major?

To strengthen your already cohesive wee piece Tesla... and for someone in particular....

"A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules "

 

[NotEvenWrong]

They say psychopaths cause chaos and disruption wherever they go and Amanda certainly has been true to form in this. As for the grinning ninny that is Raff, let's hope Papa Raff keeps a tighter rein on him, in future.

An interesting point about psychopaths causing chaos and disruption wherever they go. Let's see:

-- Writing letters to Pepperdine in an attempt to get Steve Moore fired because he publicly spoke out in support of Amanda Knox's innocence.

-- Creating a fake wikipedia page filled with lies and false and misleading information.

-- Attempts to take over and control the real wikipedia page on Meredith's murder.

-- Attempts to disrupt legitimate discussion on every forum through spreading rumor and innuendo about Amanda, Raffaele, and their supporters.

-- Making up factoids and criticizing the top forensic geneticists in the world because they dare speak out in favor of Amanda by categorically showing why the DNA evidence was false and fraudulent.

-- Attempts to take over major internet forums that are discussing this case by repeatedly trying to manipulate the moderators into banning anyone who supports Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.

-- Accusations via rumor and innuendo of the judges (including the Italian Supreme Court) who acquitted Amanda and Raffaele of being corrupt. Vague accusations of bribes and connections to the mafia. Or Illuminati. Or the Freemasons. Or the Knights Templar. It's hard to keep track, honestly.

What were you saying about psychopaths causing chaos and disruption, Vixen? If you guys happened to catch Amanda and burn her at the stake, would all of this nonsense stop? Could you let intellectually honest posters have a real discussion about the legal repercussions of this case without trying to disrupt this thread with your lies? Haven't your friends made enough money off their Amanda Knox true crime novels yet?

 

[Bill Williams]

An interesting point about psychopaths causing chaos and disruption wherever they go. Let's see:

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-- Making up factoids and criticizing the top forensic geneticists in the world because they dare speak out in favor of Amanda by categorically showing why the DNA evidence was false and fraudulent.

-- Attempts to take over major internet forums that are discussing this case by repeatedly trying to manipulate the moderators into banning anyone who supports Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.

-- Accusations via rumor and innuendo of the judges (including the Italian Supreme Court) who acquitted Amanda and Raffaele of being corrupt. Vague accusations of bribes and connections to the mafia. Or Illuminati. Or the Freemasons. Or the Knights Templar. It's hard to keep track, honestly.

What were you saying about psychopaths causing chaos and disruption, Vixen? ................. Haven't your friends made enough money off their Amanda Knox true crime novels yet?

Vixen is projecting...... lessee, she had not ever heard of Judge Boninsegna before he acquitted Knox on the defamation charge against the police, but that did not stop her for calling him a lick-spittle..... and I forget the other insult she hurled at him.

It doesn't prevent her from accusing Peter Gill, the top forensic DNA expert in the world, of corruption - as well as accuse the top forensic DNA journal in the world of being beholden to the imagined PR effort from Seattle.

The pace at which Vixen makes up all this stuff out of whole cloth should make her cautious about accusing others of having some sort of psychological malady....... just saying.

 

[acbytesla]

To strengthen your already cohesive wee piece Tesla... and for someone in particular....

"A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules "

Have you read the book Catch 22 Anella? If you haven't, you should. I've read it many times. It's considered a classic, but unlike so many of the so called classics, it's a very fun book. Major Major was one of the funniest characters as his name and rank made him Major Major Major. A Catch 22 describes the central paradox of the book and in the end described any of dozens of similar crazy paradoxes throughout the book. Being a bombardier was an incredibly dangerous job where you were you had a 20 to 30 percent chance not returning alive on any mission. (I don't remember the precise percentage...but it was high) So the more missions you flew, the chance of actually living through many missions grew more unlikely The fear of constantly living with a high chance of dying caused a high level of stress that led to mental issues. And naturally the military didn't want anyone crazy to fly so there was of course a regulation against that. The catch was expressing that condition didn't demonstrate you were crazy, because it was perfectly rational and sane to feel insane under those conditions so applying for a mental release was always denied, the catch 22.

It really was a fantastic satirical book.

Knox reporting that she was abused in Perugia had as little chance of producing a proper investigation as Captain Yossarian had of getting out of going on another bombing mission.

 

[Kauffer]

Let's get one thing out of the way. It is called 'FOOTBALL' not 'soccer'.

AIUI under Italian penal code police were obliged to file a charge, presumaby under the draconian anti-mafia tactics. But what might be appropriate for mafia gangsters, doesn't translate well towards an amateur criminal.

What is remarkable is Amanda and her legal team never raised a formal complaint. If all of this police brutality really happened, surely you will agree the onus is on the person making the complaint to take it forward.

You can't just go around making serious allegations and not expect the other party to take necessary action to set the record straight.
As a passersby witness there was no need for the cops to read out the miranda.

They didn't set the record straight. They got knocked down by the judge who said that Knox's constitutional rights were trampled by the police.

 

[Bill Williams]

What is remarkable is Amanda and her legal team never raised a formal complaint. If all of this police brutality really happened, surely you will agree the onus is on the person making the complaint to take it forward.

You can't just go around making serious allegations and not expect the other party to take necessary action to set the record straight.

They didn't set the record straight. They got knocked down by the judge who said that Knox's constitutional rights were trampled by the police.

I swear Vixen does not pay attention. Either that or Vixen's own observations about why one would want to spread as much fog a possible applies - to Vixen!

Agreed, Amanda and her legal team did not make a formal complaint. It is obvious why - they had bigger charges to defend Knox from; and it was clear if they said anything, they'd be open to defamation charges.

Which is exactly what happened. When asked what kind of pressure she was under at interrogation, Knox simply told the truth. She'd been hit. "Cuff'ed" is probably the term better used.

And, yes, the "other party" took action to, "set the record straight," which is the way a prosecution/police apologist would put it. Others would differ. This is exactly what Knox had perhaps been warned about - tell the truth about the interrogation and absent a video of it, you're taking a chance dear. (I guess we can also blame Knox for the missing interrogation video!)

And as Kauffer suggested, all this backfired. If those cops/interpreter had not taken this action, Knox would never have been acquitted of the charge or the suspicion that she just made things up. It turns out that the judge believed her, and recognized the interrogation for what it was.

Coercive and illegal. Vixen - deal with it.

 

[acbytesla]

They didn't set the record straight. They got knocked down by the judge who said that Knox's constitutional rights were trampled by the police.

If anything, they proved that there was nothing straight about the interrogation and these particular officers were not to be believed. You gotta love how this worked out. That is 4 separate judge/juries that said this interrogation crossed the line. For the life of me I can't understand why Vixen thinks the ECHR won't make it 5.