The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[Dancing David]

I call it prejudices
It is the root of all evil

I call it the inability to demonstrate your theory

 

[dasmiller]

To calculate anything exact I need to know the elliptical eccentricity of the Galileo 5 and 6 orbit and the orbit inclination relative to a North South axis of the Sun (ecliptic) .

I provided the TLEs. You should be able to work it all out from there.

 

[Daylightstar]

To calculate anything exact I need to know the elliptical eccentricity of the Galileo 5 and 6 orbit and the orbit inclination relative to a North South axis of the Sun (ecliptic) ....

That would be above your head.

 

[Daylightstar]

I call it prejudices
It is the root of all evil

Every quack crank and kook feels like that. It simply demonstrates the intense frustration with their inability to demonstrate their claims.

 

[Bjarne]

I provided the TLEs. You should be able to work it all out from there.

I am not a computer
Just try to provide more simple to relate to

 

[Bjarne]

Every quack crank and kook feels like that. It simply demonstrates the intense frustration with their inability to demonstrate their claims.

Don't Worry... don't worry we will soon see who is the dum

 

[Daylightstar]

Don't Worry... don't worry we will soon see who is the dum

There's nothing to worry about. Nothing whatsoever:

I am not a computer
Just try to provide more simple to relate to

 

[BowlOfRed]

No one is doing this. It is a basic fact that without adjustments to all GPS satellites for GR, they do not work.
The Galileo 5 & 6 satellites did not go into the wrong orbits (that was Galileo 7 & 8 which were then moved into correct orbits).

I'm not sure what is meant by "correct" orbits, but 7 and 8 are not in (and cannot reach) their original planned orbits. Their current orbits allow them to be used, but remain quite different from the rest of the constellation (especially with regard to the eccentricity).

 

[Reality Check]

100 years massive brainwash and propaganda has had its impact, no doubt about it...

Ranting about "massive brainwash and propaganda" instead of presenting evidence suggests that you have "massive brainwashed" yourself about SR, GR and even science, Bjarne !

In the real world when we do the same experiment over and over again, we get the same results. If we do a more accurate version of the experiment then we get more accurate results. The Galileo and ACES experiments are more accurate versions of experiments that have already shown SR and GR to be correct.

For example, a scientist measures the length of a rod again and again. I expect the scientist to get the same result again and again. Even if he uses a more accurate ruler.
What happens in your world, Bjarne ?

 

[Reality Check]

My point of view.....

is an ignorant fantasy because the evidence that an ether does not exist has existed since 1889 as you know, Bjarne.

 

[Reality Check]

Just try to provide more simple to relate to

The data you need to do the calculations for the Galileo has been provided to you. It is not up to us to do unnamed calculations for you. It is not up to us to magically make orbital mechanics simple !
P.S.
1 June 2016 Bjarne: Please cite your calculation of the direction and magnitude of the acceleration of space probes leaving the solar system, e.g. Voyager 1 and 2.
1 June 2016 Bjarne: Please cite your calculation of the direction and magnitude of the acceleration of space probes in a n Earth flyby.

 

[Reality Check]

I'm not sure what is meant by "correct" orbits, but 7 and 8 are not in (and cannot reach) their original planned orbits. Their current orbits allow them to be used, but remain quite different from the rest of the constellation (especially with regard to the eccentricity).

Bjarne finally provided a link about the Galileo 5 & 6 satellites, maybe from his "friend": Galileo satellites set for year-long Einstein experiment

Europe’s fifth and sixth Galileo satellites – subject to complex salvage manoeuvres following their launch last year into incorrect orbits – will help to perform an ambitious year-long test of Einstein’s most famous theory.

Galileos 5 and 6 were launched together by a Soyuz rocket on 22 August 2014. But the faulty upper stage stranded them in elongated orbits that blocked their use for navigation.

This is not counting the first 2 Galileo satellites (A and B) which was my mistake.

 

[Daylightstar]

Don't Worry... don't worry we will soon see who is the dum

Well,
First:

The same thing is possible for Galileo 5 and 6, but I have to say I do not know much about the orbit. Little data can be found.

problem solved:

GSAT0201 (PRN E18)
1 40128U 14050A 16150.82519498 -.00000066 00000-0 00000+0 0 9996
2 40128 50.0726 60.5948 1592356 49.9670 322.9526 1.85518335 12163

GSAT0202 (PRN E14)
1 40129U 14050B 16150.01612624 -.00000062 00000-0 00000+0 0 9999
2 40129 50.1286 59.6096 1592709 51.0483 322.1027 1.85518933 12349

Then (later):

To calculate anything exact I need to know the elliptical eccentricity of the Galileo 5 and 6 orbit and the orbit inclination relative to a North South axis of the Sun (ecliptic) . ...

Finally:

I am not a computer
Just try to provide more simple to relate to

Here's more simple to relate to: you can do diddly squat.

 

[Reality Check]

don't worry we will soon see who is the dum

Will that "dum" person know about Google, Bjarne?
Google "GSAT0201 (PRN E18)". The first result is the orbital parameters and what looks like a real time display of the satellite position and orientation .
GSAT0201 (PRN E18)
The only thing that is hard to find is what the format of the orbital parameter lines are. It is the NORAD Two-Line Element Set Format. Of course you then have to know orbital mechanics (especially orbital elements) to know what the elements actually mean. For example, inclination for a geocentric orbit is the angle in degrees from the equatorial plane. So an inclination > 0 has some North/South (as in the Earth's poles) component.

 

[fuelair]

I call it prejudices
It is the root of all evil

No, lying and stupidity are pretty much the root of all evil - they tend to do the most damage to the most people.

 

[fuelair]

Don't Worry... don't worry we will soon see who is the dum

The dumb is people who cannot speak which does not mean they are ignorant or stupid though there are dummies (persons heavily lacking any form of intellectual prowess - assuming you can follow the sentence (which I will out of kindness assume you might be able to). Dum is half of a really nasty type of bullet (dum-dum or dumdum).

 

[fuelair]

I am not a computer
Just try to provide more simple to relate to

It is clear you are not a computer, nor a decent portable storage device!!!!!

 

[fuelair]

It only took 22 seconds to see a forum (not scientific literature) with an ignorant person posting. They seem to be just repeating descriptions from a 2002 paper.

I suspect he considers it on a par with juried or peer reviewed research/papers. It's cute, but not remotely realistic!!!!!

 

[Bjarne]

Will that "dum" person know about Google, Bjarne?
Google "GSAT0201 (PRN E18)". The first result is the orbital parameters and what looks like a real time display of the satellite position and orientation .
GSAT0201 (PRN E18)
The only thing that is hard to find is what the format of the orbital parameter lines are. It is the NORAD Two-Line Element Set Format. Of course you then have to know orbital mechanics (especially orbital elements) to know what the elements actually mean. For example, inclination for a geocentric orbit is the angle in degrees from the equatorial plane. So an inclination > 0 has some North/South (as in the Earth's poles) component.

Better you tell me the inclination relative to Ecliptic N/S axis.. I am too lazy today, and by the way how strong elliptic during the test

 

[Bjarne]

Ranting about "massive brainwash and propaganda" instead of presenting evidence suggests that you have "massive brainwashed" yourself about SR, GR and even science, Bjarne !

In the real world when we do the same experiment over and over again, we get the same results. If we do a more accurate version of the experiment then we get more accurate results. The Galileo and ACES experiments are more accurate versions of experiments that have already shown SR and GR to be correct.

For example, a scientist measures the length of a rod again and again. I expect the scientist to get the same result again and again. Even if he uses a more accurate ruler.
What happens in your world, Bjarne ?

I am not sure state employees can measure (or even write) anything without sloppiness.. I think nobody in Denmark would disagree that state employees are the cause of losing minimum 15% of tax payers money due to stupidity every year.. For example buying IC4 train that is only scrap (honestly), Helicopters and drones that can't fly, software that not works, - and I could continue the rest of the day...

What may you believe that state employees can measure a road correct, or be of any use in science at all ?