If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

First, math is the language of both physics and engineering.
If you can’t do math - well - then you can’t do physics or engineering.

If you can’t do it, you don’t understand it.
It’s just that simple.

The amusing part is that you didn’t have to do one iota of calculus to answer 2 of the 3 questions that I asked you.

I asked:
OK, here's a simple opportunity for you to prove it.

NIST provides … an empirical equation for the drop of the roofline of WTC7 vs. time.

[Eqn. 1] z(t) = 379.62 (1 - e(-0.18562 t)3.5126)
where z = the drop of the roofline from its original position.

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You can see from the data that this curve fits the data far better than the velocity vs. time graph, shown in figure 12-77.

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Use Eqn 1, above to generate: [Note: I’ve reversed the order of the 2nd & 3rd questions. -tk]
the velocity vs. time equation
calculate the terminal velocity.
the acceleration vs. time equation


Generate the velocity vs time equation.


  1. 1. If you had opened your eyes, or knew what you were looking at, you would have realized that the answer to this question was staring you in the face. Do you see the equation in the top left corner of the velocity vs time graph? You could have copied & pasted it.
No math required.
But you don’t know how to read these graphs well enough to understand these simple principles.


    v(t) = 247.5 (0.1856 t)2.5126 e(-(0.1856 t)3.5126)

  2. 2. Or, you could have simply said, “you need to take the derivative of z(t) with respect to t”. 
Or simply, v(t) = d (z(t))/dt. 
“… but the equation is too complicated for me to solve.”
That would have shown you actually understood what is going on.

  3. 3. Finding the derivative of the z(t) equation is actually pretty simple … if you remember remedial calculus. (i.e., derivatives of exponentials , and the Chain Rule: 
 d(eg(t)) / dt = (d(g(t))/dt) eg(t))
 and the simple version of this when g(t) = k => d(ek t) / dt = kek t 

In this case g(t) = (-0.18562 t)3.5126 
then d g(t)/dt = (-0.18562) (3.5126) (-.18562 t)2.5126 = 0.6520 (.18562 t)2.5126

and v(t) = 247.5 (0.1856 t)2.5126 e-(0.1856 t)3.5126[/sup]

Whaddaya know. It matches 1 above.

  4. 4. Or, you can use the tools available today.
    I prefer Mathematica.

    Define: z[t_] = 379.62 (1 - E^(-(0.18562 t)^3.5126));

    Let MMA find the 1st derivative: v[t_] = z'[t]
 which returns:
    v[t] = 3.59707 E(-0.00269756 t3.5126) t2.5126


Calculate the terminal velocity

  1. First, you should realize that the terminal velocity happens when the acceleration goes to zero. In other words, the maximum of the velocity vs. time graph. If you had merely said this, you would have shown some understanding. 

Now you should be able to read it straight off of the velocity vs. time graph, and show it is ~ 92 ft/sec.

  2. Alternatively, you could have stated that the terminal velocity is the slope of the displacement vs. time graph, once the slope has reached it steepest value. You could have stuck a ruler up against the side of the first graph’s curve, between the 4.2 & 5.3 second interval, read off two z displacements & two time values and computed the terminal velocity from 

Vterminal = Δz / Δt

If you had done this, then you would have gotten, surprise, about 92 ft/sec.

  3. Or, you might have noticed that the velocity maxed out right around 5 seconds.
You could have plugged 5 in for t in the velocity vs. time equation & calculated the terminal velocity.

If you had done this, you would have gotten, surprise): Vterminal ≈ 95 ft/sec.

  4. Finally, you could have done it the traditional way. 
a. Calculate the derivative of the velocity vs. time graph. (which is the answer the 3rd question.) 
b. Set the acceleration equal to zero, and solve for t (time).
c. Plug that time value back into the velocity vs. time equation & calculate the terminal velocity.

  5. Or you could let Mathematica find the local Maximum of the velocity function: 
 FindMaximum[v[t], t]
    which returns: {95.2501, {t -> 4.89724}}
    or a terminal velocity of 95.2 ft/sec.

Find the acceleration versus time equation

  1. You could have said “take the first derivative of v(t) with respect to t” or “take the 2nd derivative of z(t) with respect to t”. That would have shown you knew what you were talking about. 

    You made no effort to do so, because you’re lazy.

  2. Go back to school & learn how to do it the old fashioned way: by memorizing a boatload of explicit patterns. You’ll have no hope of doing this, either.
In addition to being lazy, you’re intellectually sloppy.

  3. Or do it the easy way: with Mathematica, MathCAD, Maple or other math programs

    With Mathematica, define: a[t_] = v’[t] or equivalently a[t_] = z’’[t]
 which returns:
    a[t] = 9.038 E(-0.00269756 t3.5126) t1.5126 - 0.0340839 E(-0.00269756 t3.5126) t5.0252

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The point here is that you really didn’t have to do ANY calculus to demonstrate you knew a bit about these topics.

But you don’t know squat about them.

All you can do is strut around like a buffoon, claiming that you do …
… and then fall flat on your face when asked to prove it.
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And THIS comment proves that you do NOT have even the simplest, most remedial level of understanding of high school physics.

tfk said:
Would that be "embarrassing", as in someone who insisted that "the foundations of the WTC were accelerating at G for 31 years"??

Are you claiming that they were not?

Are you sure about this?

What is at least one of the action-reaction pairs if the foundation is the first part?

Look in the mirror. Look into your own eyes.
Say in a firm voice, "You, False Flag, know NOTHING about physics.”

Rinse. Repeat as often as necessary.
At least once before each time you’re inclined to post here on the subject.
 
False Flag,
Your local error is thinking that you know how to use your one tool: "F = ma".
You don't.
As your comment (at the end of my last post, above) proves.

You bigger problem is thinking that "F = ma" is the beginning & end of physics.
It's not.

Your biggest problem is that you're a lazy, sloppy thinker.
At this point in your life, non-Junior, there's probably no cure for that.
 

Nonsense. femr is/was just as clueless about physics & calculus as False Flag is.

I did the same thing, years ago, that I just did here: used Mathematica to solve NIST's empirical equation (drop as a function of time) for the algebraic expression for acceleration as a function of time.

And posted it here (old JREF forum, actually).
That's where femr got it.

femr does some sort of computer video work.
He knows about manipulating video files.

He bought a software program (Syntheyes) that does "feature tracking" in videos.
He learned how to use that program & produced a bunch of good displacement vs. time graphs.

But he also had absolutely no clue about calibration, precision or taking derivatives of sampled data.

But he was VERY GOOD at several things.

He was VERY GOOD at posting lots of obfuscating ********.
For his own amusement.
It would go on for months, with him refusing to answer simple questions. And then changing his definition of terms from post to post.
The old "frame vs. field" fiasco was a prime example.

He was VERY GOOD at refusing to admit, ever, that like all the other clowns at the911forum, he was a true-believing truther.

He was VERY GOOD, when it finally became obvious to him that the Truther cause was championed by a bunch of clueless morons, at trying to slip out of that camp, into no-man's-land, and claim "I was never on THAT side."
 
Bump for FalseFlag.

Smile, FF.
No calculus required here.
Just a simple, honest reply.

(That doesn’t seem to be your forte, either.

It's also interesting to see the explosion about two floors below the fire line in WTC7 a few minutes before it collapses. I guess you don't see that.

Well, since WTC7 doesn’t collapse in this video, “it” must refer to either WTC1 or 2. In this video, WTC2 collapses at 57:05, and WTC1 collapses at 1:26:30.

“a few minutes before” these events would be around 53 / 54 minutes, or 1:23 / 1:24. And no, I don’t see anything, or hear anything, that would constitute an “explosion”.

Since we can clearly hear both collapses, we would certainly be able to hear demolition explosions in the nearer WTC7. Yet these “explosions” are missing from the audio.

Why don’t you post the exact time of your “explosions” & provide us with a description of its exact location, or a screen grab showing it.

I can’t wait.

A simple, “I made the whole thing up” will do nicely.
 
If you can’t do it, you don’t understand it.
It’s just that simple.
You are trying so hard to discredit me, and you are failing hard.

I choose not to do your math. It's a choice I make because your points are not relevant. You do NOT need to do any of your busy work in order to have a basic understanding of physics. That's a fact, and it obviously p***es you off.

You are spending so much time and effort trying to regain the credibility that you, yourself, have destroyed. Math won't help you regain the credibility. Admitting the truth is the only thing you can do. Since you won't do that, all you have left is to put lots of symbols and equations in your posts so that the weak-minded skeptics will think you have credibility.

It's not working. Your scam is failing. It's as simple as that.
 
You bigger problem is thinking that "F = ma" is the beginning & end of physics.
It's not.

Where have I said that? Please copy and paste the exact text. Otherwise, you are misquoting me. Of course, I expect nothing less from a skeptic.
 
You have credibility? Show this to be true. (you won't, you never do)
I have never said I am an expert. I have said that you should listen to experts, and not the frauds on this site.

I don't need credibility. Remember, what I think does not matter.
 
I have never said I am an expert. I have said that you should listen to experts, and not the frauds on this site.

I don't need credibility. Remember, what I think does not matter.
You claim we are trying to "discredit" you, That means you think you have credibility. Support this statement. Who do you have credibility with and what is your proof?
 
You claim we are trying to "discredit" you, That means you think you have credibility.

"credible" at what??

I rank FF s the most credible and most successful troll currently posting:

1) In terms of raw numbers of responses he gets;
2) In responses which treat his claims as being serious when it is obvious that his overall agenda is not;

BUT
3) Not very high in "trolling efficiency" - he is posting close to 1:1 - one post per one response.

More efficient trolls score 5, 6 or 7 to one. On one occasion that I measured ergo scored 27 responses for one post.

THAT was quality trolling IMO.


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"credible" at what??

I rank FF s the most credible and most successful troll currently posting:

1) In terms of raw numbers of responses he gets;
2) In responses which treat his claims as being serious when it is obvious that his overall agenda is not;

BUT
3) Not very high in "trolling efficiency" - he is posting close to 1:1 - one post per one response.

More efficient trolls score 5, 6 or 7 to one. On one occasion that I measured ergo scored 27 responses for one post.

THAT was quality trolling IMO.


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Somehow I don't think that's what he meant........:D

I do find it fun to call him when he doesn't pick his words well..........;)
 
You are trying so hard to discredit me, and you are failing hard.

I choose not to do your math. It's a choice I make because your points are not relevant. You do NOT need to do any of your busy work in order to have a basic understanding of physics. That's a fact, and it obviously p***es you off.

You are spending so much time and effort trying to regain the credibility that you, yourself, have destroyed. Math won't help you regain the credibility. Admitting the truth is the only thing you can do. Since you won't do that, all you have left is to put lots of symbols and equations in your posts so that the weak-minded skeptics will think you have credibility.

It's not working. Your scam is failing. It's as simple as that.

"I don't want to" is hardly a face-saving move here. In fact, there is no face left for you to save. You were given ample opportunity to prove yourself and you failed to do so.

Suck it up and move on. Nobody's buying your dodge.
 
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So many words, yet there has still not been one experiment that proves Cole is wrong.

Why is that? There are so many "experts" here. It should be easy, right?
 
So many words, yet there has still not been one experiment that proves Cole is wrong.

Why is that? There are so many "experts" here. It should be easy, right?

That's because Cole's own experiments prove Cole wrong, no one else need even try, and I am too busy to care, designing a shark tooth stump splitter and puller.
 

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