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The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

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Please proceed to demonstrate this 'best possible space probe trajectory experiment' through those, what you call, easy calculations .....

Largest possible (unexpected) deceleration > send a space probe out of the solar system, any direction , - it will decelerate.

Largest possible (unexpected) acceleration > send a space probe into flyby so close to earth as possible, - and do all you can do keep speed so low as possible.
 
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Largest possible (unexpected) deceleration > send a space probe out of the solar system, any direction , - it will decelerate.

Largest possible (unexpected) acceleration > send a space probe into flyby so close to earth as possible, - and do all you can do keep speed so low as possible.

Try harder, little space cadet!!!!!!! You might make it next decade!!!!!!!!!:):thumbsup::):thumbsup:
 
Above my head

Those are the "Two-line element" sets (TLEs) for Galileo 5 & 6. TLE is the standard format used for exchanging orbit information for earth-orbiting satellites. Specifics can be found from Wikipedia, NASA, or many other sources.

You said that "little data can be found" about those orbits, but as shown, the data was readily available. Seriously, it took me longer to find their COSPAR designations than the TLEs. And the COSPAR designations took less than a minute. Good 'ol Gunther!
 
No this is not true..

Evidently by your own assertion below it is. The problem with, and empowerment of, fantasy is that it need not be consistent. Reality has no such luxury that we can find.


No, a mass-particle is not "integrated” but only weak 'connected' to space, - it is interacting with an opposite spinning particle, and only indirectly connected to space.
It is also interacting with space by “consuming” it, by your own assertion. Again you can’t get any more connected or "integrated” than that.

A mass-particle is always at any time always separated and indirectly connected to space at the same time, so long it interacts with another oppesite spinning particle..
Again, not by your assertion of “space consuming particles (mass particles)”
The connection you wrote about, - is due to the tension in the elastic property of space, - cause by the space absorbing property of a mass-particle..

The connection I wrote about and write here about is the “space consuming” that you now call “space absorbing”.

"space absorbing" is neither a "weak" nor 'indirect' connection. It's about as strong and direct and integrating as any connection can get.

While you may (for whatever reason) want your “tension in the elastic property of space” to be weak and indirect that in no way makes consumption and/or absorption weak (as far as connections go) or any less integrating and direct.

This elastic connection is a weak connection we call gravity, and far from a 100% integrated “particle” in contrast to massless EM-waves.

The connection of your “space absorbing” / “space consuming particles” is the explicit absorption/consumption. That you apparently whish to pawn that connection off to your “elastic connection” simply demonstrates that even you don’t agree with your own assertions.

For your own edification EM waves (photons) are also absorbed by particles that couple to the electromagnetic force, like say the electron.

As space-time has electromagnetic properties and is the media by which electromagnetic waves travel through, your “space absorbing property of a mass-particle” would also absorb those EM waves with the space.

Such mass-particle are sensitive to motion of space (a magnetic field), but we have no evidence showing that mass-particle also are sensitive to any curvature direction.

The spin interaction or the elastic connection to space doesn’t mean that matter recognizes any direction due to the curvature. if you disagree, - how should that be possible?
I don’t recall ever mentioning your “spin interaction”, so just one fantasy property at a time if you please. In this case your “space consuming”/”space absorbing property of a mass-particle”
A fully integrated “EM-particle” is not only connected to space, rather it is one and the same phenomena, - which mean the only difference is that EM waves are; “pulsating elastic space” - and not calm space, - if you prefer.

“A fully integrated “EM-particle”, “pulsating elastic space” you say? So your “space consuming”/”space absorbing property of a mass-particle” would also absorb them since you just defined them as a form of “space”
In this case it sounds reasonable that a EM-wave will follow the “shape” of the “ocean” where the wave is a fully integrated “part”.

Evidently nothing in your notions sounds reasonable even just to you. Obviously you just don’t understand or simply don’t agree with what you are asserting.

What happens when something is “consuming”/”absorbing” that ocean?

Oh and for the fifth time now, how do you define “north”?
 
Largest possible (unexpected) deceleration > send a space probe out of the solar system, any direction , - it will decelerate.

Largest possible (unexpected) acceleration > send a space probe into flyby so close to earth as possible, - and do all you can do keep speed so low as possible.

Where are those easy calculations, Bjarne?
 
Bjarne: Fantasies, lies and delusions about photons, SR, etc.

Within few years SR will fall apart....
Within a few years, will you bother to learn about the real world where photons are measured to have momentum Bjarne :jaw-dropp!

31 May 2016 Bjarne: Fantasies, lies and delusions about photons, SR, etc.
  • Gibberish that looks like the fact that GPS only works if we take in account relativity (SR and GR).
  • A delusion that the results of many (not one!) Michelson-Morley experiments can be interpreted away.
    These experiments all show that the Earth is not moving through a luminiferous aether. That is a fact, not an interpretation.
  • A lie about a "ISS measurement" not ruling out an aether.
    Bjarne is parroting the lies of an ignorant friend (according to Bjarne but the friend may be imaginary)
  • A delusion about "we are back in the 18th century" - this is 2016, the MM experiment was done in 1887 :eek:!
  • A delusion about the Michelson-Morley experiments being explained by the gravitational field of the Earth.
  • A lie about photons being "waves and only waves": Photon.
    Photons have properties that only particles can have and properties that only waves can have. Photons are both particles and waves.
  • The repeated delusion about an "elastic ether".
  • A delusion that photons cannot be individual particles - single photon sources exist and are used in physics experiments.
  • A delusion that Einstein used the precession anomaly of Mercury as evidence of the Special Relativity postulate of the constant speed of light in vacuum.
  • A lie that light is "bended insignificant in a gravitational field".
    The bending of light by the Sun is significant enough to be measured.
    The bending of light by galaxies is enormously significant - it acts as a lens to allow us to see more dilatant galaxies!
 
I did and found 2016 and 2017
Do you acknowledge that "That the ISS measurement evidently confirms that there has been no reason to reject the ether theory" is a lie (or just ignorant) because no such experiment has been done, Bjarne :jaw-dropp?
The Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space experiment you presumably refer to will be ready to launch in 2016. It will run for 18-30 months. Results will be published afterwards, at best 2018.
 
Bjarne: Fantasies and delusions about space probes

Largest possible (unexpected) deceleration > send a space probe out of the solar system, any direction , - it will decelerate.
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31 May 2016 Bjarne: Fantasies and delusions about space probes.
  1. Fantasy: No calculation of the direction of acceleration for probes going out of the solar system.
  2. Fantasy: No calculation of the magnitude of the acceleration for probes going out of the solar system.
  3. What makes this a delusion: We have sent space probes out of the solar system and they do not decelerate more than expected with all of the effects, e.g. gravity, thermal recoil.
  4. Fantasy: No calculation of the direction of acceleration for probes flying by the Earth.
  5. Fantasy: No calculation of the magnitude of the acceleration for probes flying by the Earth.
  6. What makes this a delusion: Many space probes do flyby as close to Earth as possible. All of these probes do not have your unexplained (unexpected) acceleration.
 
Evidently by your own assertion below it is. The problem with, and empowerment of, fantasy is that it need not be consistent. Reality has no such luxury that we can find.

It is also interacting with space by “consuming” it, by your own assertion. Again you can’t get any more connected or "integrated” than that.

Again, not by your assertion of “space consuming particles (mass particles)”

The connection I wrote about and write here about is the “space consuming” that you now call “space absorbing”.

"space absorbing" is neither a "weak" nor 'indirect' connection. It's about as strong and direct and integrating as any connection can get.

While you may (for whatever reason) want your “tension in the elastic property of space” to be weak and indirect that in no way makes consumption and/or absorption weak (as far as connections go) or any less integrating and direct.

The connection of your “space absorbing” / “space consuming particles” is the explicit absorption/consumption. That you apparently whish to pawn that connection off to your “elastic connection” simply demonstrates that even you don’t agree with your own assertions.

For your own edification EM waves (photons) are also absorbed by particles that couple to the electromagnetic force, like say the electron.

As space-time has electromagnetic properties and is the media by which electromagnetic waves travel through, your “space absorbing property of a mass-particle” would also absorb those EM waves with the space.

I don’t recall ever mentioning your “spin interaction”, so just one fantasy property at a time if you please. In this case your “space consuming”/”space absorbing property of a mass-particle”

“A fully integrated “EM-particle”, “pulsating elastic space” you say? So your “space consuming”/”space absorbing property of a mass-particle” would also absorb them since you just defined them as a form of “space”

Evidently nothing in your notions sounds reasonable even just to you. Obviously you just don’t understand or simply don’t agree with what you are asserting.

What happens when something is “consuming”/”absorbing” that ocean?

Oh and for the fifth time now, how do you define “north”?


Ok, let me tell you in a different way, the cause of the interaction between a up and down spinning particle...

The tension on space a particle exerts must also be released, – so after spinning / absorbing space, the particle is forced to release the tension on space again

As result, so soon one particle releases space tension, another particle immediately uses such released tension for the opposite action (to contract / stretch space) because such cooperation saves energy. This forces particles to interact with each other. it is all a process of push and pull.

The strong nuclear force is due to the interaction ( pull / push process), - a much weaker connection is gravity, which is caused by the absorption / consumption af space, - whereby particles converts Space to matter in the interaction process..

In one and the same process you have both a weak and strong "connection". In this context we speak about the weakest force > gravity, which is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 weaker than the strong force.

You dont need to speculate so much about it because we know the proportionals and therefore also how strong the force of gravity really is.
I mean there are no secret here, in the end of the day gravity is about how strong a particle is connected to (the elastic) space and through that to competing space absorbing particles.

My point of view is that there is absolutely no evidence that a particle follows the curvature of space, - its even not logical simply because these have such weak connection to space.

What is the strongest evidence that EM waves really follows the curvature of space?
 
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31 May 2016 Bjarne: Fantasies and delusions about space probes.
  1. Fantasy: No calculation of the direction of acceleration for probes going out of the solar system.
  2. Fantasy: No calculation of the magnitude of the acceleration for probes going out of the solar system.
  3. What makes this a delusion: We have sent space probes out of the solar system and they do not decelerate more than expected with all of the effects, e.g. gravity, thermal recoil.
  4. Fantasy: No calculation of the direction of acceleration for probes flying by the Earth.
  5. Fantasy: No calculation of the magnitude of the acceleration for probes flying by the Earth.
  6. What makes this a delusion: Many space probes do flyby as close to Earth as possible. All of these probes do not have your unexplained (unexpected) acceleration.

Calculate it dear, you spend 17 years at the university, so why do you now calculate hell hot, and disprove all what I am saying

I tell you why, because you will end up proving I am correct.

If you had spend 1½ minut reading my paper you would know I already have calculated it all http://science27.com/paper.pdf
 
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Why are you both lying about the Galileo 5 & 6 and also lying by pretending that I lies... my dear ?

“In the meantime, the satellites have accidentally become extremely useful scientifically, as tools to test Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity by measuring more accurately than ever before the way that gravity affects the passing of time.”
Sourse
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/N...ellites_set_for_year-long_Einstein_experiment
 
Above my head

This is the problem. If you are using the satellites as an example of or part of your theory and making claims about their orbits you should already know where to find the data and what it means before coming here with claims.
 
Ok, let me tell you in a different way, the cause of the interaction between a up and down spinning particle...

The tension on space a particle exerts must also be released, – so after spinning / absorbing space, the particle is forced to release the tension on space again

Great so over time your "tension on space" does exactly, well, nothing. Space is absorbed then released, space is under tension then relaxed. The cumulative effect over a period of time is zip.


As result, so soon one particle releases space tension, another particle immediately uses such released tension for the opposite action (to contract / stretch space) because such cooperation saves energy. This forces particles to interact with each other. it is all a process of push and pull.

No it doesn't force anything it simply asserts that your action is canceled "immediately" by an opposing action. It is an extremely poor attempt to abscond with Newton's third law of motion.



The strong nuclear force is due to the interaction ( pull / push process), - a much weaker connection is gravity, which is caused by the absorption / consumption af space, - whereby particles converts Space to matter in the interaction process..

Wait so now "particles converts Space to matter in the interaction process.". Looks like your "particles" are even more connected and integrated with space that you asserted before.

In one and the same process you have both a weak and strong "connection". In this context we speak about the weakest force > gravity, which is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 weaker than the strong force.

So want, that still doesn't make any iof your speculations even just self-consistent.

You dont need to speculate so much about it because we know the proportionals and therefore also how strong the force of gravity really is.
I mean there are no secret here, in the end of the day gravity is about how strong a particle is connected to (the elastic) space and through that to competing space absorbing particles.

No you "don't need to speculate so much" at the end, start or even middle of the day. The relative strength of the fundamental forces has absolutely nothing to do with the lack of self-consistency in your notions. you have to show your notions to be self-consistent (agree with them selves) before concerning yourself with general consistency (agrees with anything else)

My point of view is that there is absolutely no evidence that a particle follows the curvature of space, - its even not logical simply because these have such weak connection to space.

Sure there is it's called General Relativity and how it fits with observational data. The gravitational constant is a factor in the field equations so the relative streagth of the gravitational force is explicitly a part of those calculations

What is the strongest evidence that EM waves really follows the curvature of space?

The bending of light as predicted by GR
 
The European GPS system is called Galileo
Galileo 5 & 6 was brought into wrong orbit and could nut be used for the GPS system, instead it was decided to used these for test of relativity.

As pointed out serveral time GPS is a Commercial system, not a Scientific. Scientific satellits are completely different. You cannot compare scientific satellits with GPS satellits.

In the same way, the ISS satellit, is also not a GR / SR testing satellit right now, - it will first be so later this year, when serveral devices is brought there, for exsample a altitude measurement device a new atomic clock etc.,.

OMFSM!

This reaches new heights of special pleading.

So if the GPS satellites demonstrate the theory of relativity you claim it doesn't matter
 
Great so over time your "tension on space" does exactly, well, nothing. Space is absorbed then released, space is under tension then relaxed. The cumulative effect over a period of time is zip.
No, release happens when the strong force (the interaction) stop working ex after BB.

No it doesn't force anything it simply asserts that your action is canceled "immediately" by an opposing action. It is an extremely poor attempt to abscond with Newton's third law of motion.
Only if the “push” / “pull” would happen at the same time, if it did it would require too much energy, so it will not.
First pull then push etc……..in a endless cícle, as I said because such save energy.

Wait so now "particles converts Space to matter in the interaction process.". Looks like your "particles" are even more connected and integrated with space that you asserted before.
Particle almost live their own life, matter is not a question only about absorbed space, but also energy, no one have expressed that more clear headed as both Einstein and Max Plank.

Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter. … Albert Einstein

“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”
Max Planck


So want, that still doesn't make any if your speculations even just self-consistent. .
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
… Albert Einstein

The bending of light as predicted by GR
Right, but the Q was, where is the best (hard) evidence for that prediction ?
 
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OMFSM!

This reaches new heights of special pleading.

So if the GPS satellites demonstrate the theory of relativity you claim it doesn't matter

No I claim that few satellites are exceptions, (these few moving more or less North / South) many times in the scientific history broad hints are swept under the blanked. the Pioneer anomali is one of plenty.
 
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