RE: clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[Dog Town]

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Mr. Montoya has been tried before. Yet someone claiming to be old enough to know, is clueless...

 

[Dog Town]

More like "The Black Knight" stage. Doesn't matter what happens, "It's just a flesh wound", or "I've had worse", is the reply. We haven't quite got to, "I'll bite your legs off" just yet though.
It's coming.

 

[The Big Dog]

What is troubling is that people are blindly defending Hillary not only without acknowledging that basically every single thing she has said about her cowboy server is a flat out lie but repeating them as if they were not lies.

Oh well, Shillaries gonna shill...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Daily Show captured the situation exactly tonight. If you missed it you have to wait a day to watch it: http://www.cc.com/shows/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah

 

[TheL8Elvis]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/ex-aide-to-hillary-clinton-testifies-on-email.html

Thomas Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch, who took part in Mr. Lukens’s deposition, said afterward that he could not discuss the substance of the testimony because of the ground rules set by Judge Sullivan.

But Mr. Fitton predicted that once the testimony is publicly released — perhaps as early as next week — it would show “why the State Department and Mrs. Clinton have slow-rolled this and withheld a complete explanation of what went on with her email system. What we learned is going to be embarrassing to Mrs. Clinton and the administration — maybe more than embarrassing.”

He refused to elaborate, citing the court’s restrictions.

Top HDS sufferer Tom Fitton can't actually tell us what was said, but would like us to believe his impartial assurances that it will be "embarrassing"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...26c552-236c-11e6-9e7f-57890b612299_story.html

Clinton was offered a “stand-alone” computer near her office that would let her access the Internet without entering a password or logging into the department’s network as other employees are required to do, the official said.
The official, Lewis A. Lukens, executive director of Clinton’s executive secretariat from 2008 to 2011, said he was told the proposal was declined because Clinton was “not adept or not used to checking her emails on a desktop.” However, Lukens said, Clinton was “very comfortable” using a BlackBerry — even though she would have to leave her office to use the device due to security protocols.

In his testimony, Lukens, a Foreign Service officer for 27 years who oversaw 110 employees providing administrative support to the secretary, said he never recalled speaking about Clinton’s email address or use of a personal BlackBerry with a direct subordinate, John Bentel, in charge of the secretariat’s electronic communications.
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Lukens said Mills did not ask for Clinton to have a computer in her office, and that he did not believe a State email account was set up for Clinton because she did not ask for one.

“At that point, as far as I knew, there was no requirement for her to be connected to our system,” Lukens said.

Lukens did not think it unusual because, he said, “I’m not aware of former secretaries of state having email addresses on our system.

Oh my, how .... embarrassing ???

Can't wait to hear 16.5's Judicial Watch's explanation spin on why this testimony was embarrassing ...

For Zig, here's the link to the transcript they definitely aren't releasing:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/jw-v-state-lukens-testimony-01363/

 

[TheL8Elvis]

An agency audit of what? If they didn't have these emails what did they audit? Emails she sent to .gov address aka emails already in the State Department system?

Yes, it would seem that the state dept. actually can look through someones emails and sort it by sender. So I assume they looked through Mills/Sullivan/Abedin email archives and found emails sent to them by Clinton. A task they apparently are unable (read:unwilling) to do for FIOA requests.

Clinton staff went through more than 30K emails and divided them into personal and work related. Did they miss these or actually try to hide them? If they were sent to .gov addresses, why try to conceal them?

Well, that's the question, isn't it ? How did she "miss" these ? And why is the number of emails she went through relevant ?

Since when is 'worried it could be breached' the same as was compromised?

Why is the report by the FBI they found no trace of a compromised system and the fact the State Department's system actually was breeched being left out of this account?

Wow, you have access to the FBI report ? Link please ?

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Where's the real issue here? I mean the stuff that matters to anyone except Clinton's political enemies? Who else on the Hill is 100% transparent with no faults ever?

You know those a strawmen, right ?

The real issue here is Clinton looks dishonest and incompetent.

Her only saving grace right now is she's running against Trump.

 

[The Big Dog]

Hillary hid business use of emails from State, can't use a computer

A State Department official who once offered to arrange a “stand-alone” computer for then-Secretary Hillary Clinton said he believed she was only emailing with friends and family — not using it for official work business.

Lewis Lukens believed his suggested work-around was “for ease of access,” he said during a two-hour deposition with a conservative legal watchdog looking into Clinton’s private email server setup.

“My understanding was that she was using the equipment to contact family and friends,” said Lukens, a former deputy executive secretary at the State Department.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...ught-clinton-email-was-for-family-and-friends

“She says problem is HRC does not know how to use a computer to do emails — only Blackberry.”

she also didn't do passwords.... She wants to be president? lolz

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Hillary hid business use of emails from State, can't use a computer
http://thehill.com/policy/national-...ught-clinton-email-was-for-family-and-friends

“She says problem is HRC does not know how to use a computer to do emails — only Blackberry.”

she also didn't do passwords.... She wants to be president? lolz

So ... where to start ...

"Hillary hid business use of emails from State, can't use a computer"

Nope, no evidence of either of those.

“She says problem is HRC does not know how to use a computer to do emails — only Blackberry.”

IDK where this quote is from, not the article. Presumably 16.5 made it up and just put quotation marks around it. At any rate, it's also inaccurate.

I give this post only a 2/10

 

[The Big Dog]

Daily Show captured the situation exactly tonight. If you missed it you have to wait a day to watch it: http://www.cc.com/shows/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah

Spaceballs captured the situation exactly. If you missed it just check it out on youtube:

Hillary Clinton: One.

Dark Helmet: One.

Colonel Sandurz: One.

Hillary Clinton: Two.

Dark Helmet: Two.

Colonel Sandurz: Two.

Hillary Clinton: Three.

Dark Helmet: Three.

Colonel Sandurz: Three.

Hillary Clinton: Four.

Dark Helmet: Four.

Colonel Sandurz: Four.

Hillary Clinton: Five.

Dark Helmet: Five.

Colonel Sandurz: Five.

Dark Helmet: So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! That's the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

 

[The Big Dog]

Remember when Hillary said she turned over all work related emails? She Lied

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was supposed to have turned over all work-related emails to the State Department to be released to the public. But an agency audit found at least three emails never seen before — including Clinton's own explanation of why she wanted her emails kept private.

Huh, curious that those three CRUCIAL emails were not produced to Congress or pursuant to FOIA, after all these years.

They probably dug it out of Huma's clintonemails account.

Oh right, Huma had a clintonemails account too. Probably for convenience because that is what Hillary said, convenience!

Certainly not to hide her documents from timely compliance with FOIA requests and requests from Congress, no sir! That would be crazy.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was supposed to have turned over all work-related emails to the State Department to be released to the public. But an agency audit found at least three emails never seen before — including Clinton's own explanation of why she wanted her emails kept private.

Huh, curious that those three CRUCIAL emails were not produced to Congress or pursuant to FOIA, after all these years.

Oh yea, totes crucial.

The emails appear to contain work-related passages, raising questions about why they were not turned over to the State Department last year. The inspector general noted that Clinton's production of work-related emails was "incomplete," missing not only the three emails but numerous others covering Clinton's first four months in office.

And she already said she turned over all the emails she had, which didn't include everything from the first four months. This has been known for a long time.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...records-show-four-month-gap-in-clinton-emails

Spetember 2015
An initial State Department review concluded that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not send a single work-related email through her personal account for roughly four months during her tenure, though the government claims it has since filled in the gaps.

A timeline of Clinton’s email “gaps” circulated internally among State Department officials this year shows that Clinton did not send or receive a single email on the personal account for a month and a half after being sworn in as the nation’s top diplomat in 2009.
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“Upon review, the department has many messages sent by Secretary Clinton during that period, including messages that appear to have been produced directly from her ‘sent’ mailbox,” Gerlach said in a statement.


But yeah, crucial conspiracy emails sounds much better, doesn't it ?

They probably dug it out of Huma's clintonemails account.

Didn't you read the article you linked to ?

The report said the inspector general was able to reconstruct some of Clinton's missing emails by searching the email files of four former Clinton aides who had turned over thousands of pages of communications in 2015

Oh right, Huma had a clintonemails account too. Probably for convenience because that is what Hillary said, convenience!

Certainly not to hide her documents from timely compliance with FOIA requests and requests from Congress, no sir! That would be crazy.

Or you know, they could just talk on the phone, right ? No sir! That would be crazy

 

[The Big Dog]

Remember Hillary said she didn't use clintonemails in the 1st Months? She L

She Lied:

While Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in January 2009, she has said that prior to March 18, she used the email account that she used during her Senate service -- an email account she can no longer access. It was only after March 18, Clinton has said, that she started using a private email address and private server in her capacity as secretary of state.

However, the Obama administration has discovered an email chain between Clinton and retired Gen. David Petraeus that shows Clinton was using her private email account to conduct business by January 28, 2009.

Dozens and dozens more have been discovered since then.

By the way, the smoking guns cited in the IG Report (about hacking and hiding her "personal" communications) were from 2010 and later

 

[WildCat]

How much do you get paid per post?

I think SG just falls into the category of "you can fool some of the people all of the time".

 

[TheL8Elvis]

She Lied:

While Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in January 2009, she has said that prior to March 18, she used the email account that she used during her Senate service -- an email account she can no longer access. It was only after March 18, Clinton has said, that she started using a private email address and private server in her capacity as secretary of state.

However, the Obama administration has discovered an email chain between Clinton and retired Gen. David Petraeus that shows Clinton was using her private email account to conduct business by January 28, 2009.

Dozens and dozens more have been discovered since then.

By the way, the smoking guns cited in the IG Report (about hacking and hiding her "personal" communications) were from 2010 and later

I don't recall seeing that. Page ?

ps - maybe someone else needs to ask as I can't tell if 16.5 is still pretending to ignore my posts, or they are just so devastating he has no response. Probably the latter, but IDK ...

 

[The Big Dog]

I think SG just falls into the category of "you can fool some of the people all of the time".

It is getting to be a little more than that because she constantly repeats utterly false information. Case in point, the suggestion that only the first four months of emails were missing. Hillary claimed that they were missing because she used a different email system in that period, a fact we know is completely untrue. The suggestion is that those were the only documents missing, again, we know this is completely untrue (the smoking guns are from September of 2010 and January 2011). Hillary refused to cooperate in the investigation, but people are infecting this forum for so called skeptics with utterly false spin from the Clinton Campaign.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...Well, that's the question, isn't it ? How did she "miss" these ? And why is the number of emails she went through relevant ?

Error rate. You think there should be zeros errors sorting through thousands and thousands of emails?

Wow, you have access to the FBI report ? Link please ?

That there was no evidence her server was hacked has been reported repeatedly.

Security Logs of Hillary Clinton’s Email Server Are Said to Show No Evidence of Hacking

WASHINGTON — A former aide to Hillary Clinton has turned over to the F.B.I. computer security logs from Mrs. Clinton’s private server, records that showed no evidence of foreign hacking, according to people close to a federal investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s emails....

Mr. Pagliano told the agents that nothing in his security logs suggested that any intrusion occurred. Security logs keep track of, among other things, who accessed the network and when. They are not definitive, and forensic experts can sometimes spot sophisticated hacking that is not apparent in the logs, but computer security experts view logs as key documents when detecting hackers.

You know those a strawmen, right ?

The real issue here is Clinton looks dishonest and incompetent.

Her only saving grace right now is she's running against Trump.

Maybe you think the issue of imperfect transparency is straw, but plenty of other people are focused on some Clinton conspiracy to thwart FOIA laws.

As for appearance, that's the point it wouldn't matter what she does, Clinton political enemies twist any and everything into the 'dishonest and incompetent' narrative. The same behaviors of anyone else is ignored, insignificant.

From the report:

The requirement to manage and preserve emails containing Federal records has remained consistent since at least 1995, though specific policies and guidance related to retention methods have evolved over time. In general, the Federal Records Act requires appropriate management, including preservation, of records containing adequate and proper documentation of the “organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency.”
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Although emails were not explicitly mentioned in the Federal Records Act or FAM until the mid-1990s, the law has stated since 1943 that a document can constitute a record “regardless of physical form or characteristics.”

Why have no other Secretaries of State been held to this standard?

It's a double standard because Clinton is under constant attack by political enemies, every little error she says or does is amplified into this big 'she must be hiding something' accusation. It's wrong, it's tiring, and anyone looking at it carefully can see it no other relevant politician is being held to this same standard.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think SG just falls into the category of "you can fool some of the people all of the time".

SG falls into the category of media literate.

I have the magical ability to look at the actual evidence and facts and sort out the faux outrage and distortions.

I also have insight into workplace law compliance given I get paid consulting fees to improve worker safety law compliance among other things.

 

[xjx388]

All this report is is a department reprimand and given they found how widespread the practice was of using private emails, there's no way the FBI is going to recommend an indictment.

Consider this the wrist slap.

That's like saying, "given that speeding is a widespread practice, there's no way the police will give me a ticket!"

This may indeed end up being nothing but a wrist slap, but I hope it's one that wakes people up to the fact that Clinton does not deserve the Presidency.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's like saying, "given that speeding is a widespread practice, there's no way the police will give me a ticket!"

This may indeed end up being nothing but a wrist slap, but I hope it's one that wakes people up to the fact that Clinton does not deserve the Presidency.

Your analogy is a fail. Try this:

It's like saying, "given that speeding is a widespread practice, there's no reason the police should send me to jail for a speeding violation that no one else would go to jail for."

As for Clinton should not be POTUS, that's ludicrous.

Not to mention, you would instead have no trouble with a con man who has a serious personality disorder that prevents him from behaving reasonably with people who fail to support him.

 

[The Big Dog]

"'Everybody does it,'” is an excuse expected from a mischievous child, not a presidential candidate." NYT

That has been my attitude toward SG's dreadful "double standard" tu quoque argument (well that and the fact it is utterly frivolous in light of the facts).

But you know what, I have been all wet about this! SG convinced me:

All Secretaries of State responsible for this misfeasance and malfeasance detailed in the IG's Report should be deemed totally unfit to serve as President of the United States!

A single clear standard I think we can all live with, don't you agree?

Thank you SG!