Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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16.5 said:
Actually I have two direct quotes from Hillary about women who were accusing Bill of misconduct.

DS: “Did you call her a narcissistic loony-toon?”

HRC: “I am not going to comment on what I did or did not say-back in the late '90s.”

Hillary 2016!
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I definitely have no problem calling someone a narcissistic loony toon.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Because that's all Trump has: try to smear H Clinton because of B Clinton's behavior.

H Clinton's record on women's rights is unassailable, sorry but your charge doesn't fly except with the people who already have HDS.
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as long as they are not from Honduras.

Berta Caceres

(or were sexually harassed by Bill)
 
varwoche said:
Classic smear, blaming Hillary for Bill's 'sins', actual and otherwise.
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Hillary was a full participant in the smearing of these women. And she was Bills "Co-President", remember? And she is running on Bill's coattails, promising to give him a prominent role in her administration. She said she'll allow him to fix the economy.

For all these reasons Bill's sexcapades are fair game.
 
wareyin said:
I know. However, attributing it to Clinton is dishonest at best.
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He was Bill's campaign strategist and he worked on Hillary's 2008 campaign and was always a close friend of the Clintons. The Clintons never denounced his tireless efforts to smear Bill's sexual assault victims.
 
varwoche said:
Wildcat (also sunmaster and 16.5), I'd like to start from the bottom of this list and work up.

Please provide specific evidence of Hillary (not Bill, not Carville) smearing and vilifying Regina Blakely Hopper.

(Maybe this warrants a new thread?)
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Hillary stood by Bill during all of these episodes, and stands by him to this day. She's as despicable as Bill Cosby's wife.

She never had to say anything herself, the Clintons had hired guns to do that for them. But the mafia boss is no less guilty than the hitman, is he?
 
varwoche said:
Wildcat, it looks like it's up to you to provide specific evidence of Hillary smearing and vilifying Regina Blakely Hopper.
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This is like demanding evidence that John Gotti or Al Capone ever personally killed anyone.

You can't possibly be claiming she bears no responsibility for what her hired guns do, are you?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Because that's all Trump has: try to smear H Clinton because of B Clinton's behavior.

H Clinton's record on women's rights is unassailable, sorry but your charge doesn't fly except with the people who already have HDS.
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Are all those women liars?

If yes, why do Hillary's supporters demean women?
 
"The lesson of our history, through good times and hard times, is that we’re stronger together."

— Hillary (Twitter May 23, 2016)
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Back in the 1990’s when she served as first lady, Crooked Hillary was widely known as “The Smartest Woman in the World.” Her husband supposedly coined the phrase.

Over the weekend she debuted her new campaign slogan, "Stronger Together," which puts the lie to just how smart this woman actually is.

So far, her sloganeering skills have been the most weak, lame, and uninspiring in recorded history. Her previous slogans were "I'm With Her", and "Love Trumps Hate"; dull and boring at best.

Look for her to roll out and test drive yet another new slogan very soon -- just like its predecessors, "Stronger Together" is a resounding flop.

Reference:
Battle of the campaign slogans (May 23, 201)
 
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The_Animus said:
If you don't care about integrity or whether a candidate keeps their promises and commitments that's your problem.
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Yeah, a *********** politician doesn't keep a promise. Hold on while I get the news on the phone. Right now I have to choose between Trump (who lies more than Hillary ever will. He can't even a finish a *********** sentence without lying) or Hillary. Both of them are garbage. Please though, tell me more about what my problems are, it's laughable.

The_Animus said:
Some of us do,
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Right, and who is your pick again? Tell me more about how your candidate is constantly honest, has the upmost integrity and so on.

The_Animus said:
and the argument that she should ignore her own agreements because she doesn't feel it benefits her anymore is pathetic. What a low standard you must have for candidates.
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She's not my candidate, but don't let reality get in the way of your **** talking, and assumptions.
 
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You can go on and on WildCat. But none of those attacks makes Trump a better candidate. Clips are circulating now of Trump defending Bill during that time and saying Trump himself was worse.

All anti-Trump commercials are already taped. All that's needed is to play the clips:
Trump’s flip-flop on whether the Bill Clinton sex scandals are important

Trump praises the economy under Bill:
“The best thing he has going is the fact that the economy’s doing great,” Trump said. “I’ve never seen anything like it. You know, they talked about the ’80s were good. The ’90s are better. I mean, the ’90s are really much better.”
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I think Trump missed the cigar joke:
TRUMP: Can you imagine how controversial that’d be? You think about him with the women. How about me with the women? Can you imagine …

MATTHEWS: Well, you might be close, but it’d be no cigar.

TRUMP: Well, they might like my women better, too, you know.
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Later Trump complained about Clinton by saying Monica wasn't good looking enough, not because Bill had the affair:
“He handled the Monica situation disgracefully. It’s sad because he would go down as a great President if he had not had this scandal. People would have been more forgiving if he’d had an affair with a really beautiful woman of sophistication. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe were on a different level. Now Clinton can’t get into golf clubs in Westchester. A former President begging to get in a golf club. It’s unthinkable.”
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Finally, in a 2008 interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, Trump argued that Clinton should never have been impeached and that he got into trouble over “something that was totally unimportant” — in contrast to George W. Bush, who he said should have been impeached for “getting us into this horrible war [Iraq] with lies.”
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Skeptic Ginger said:
You can go on and on WildCat. But none of those attacks makes Trump a better candidate. Clips are circulating now of Trump defending Bill during that time and saying Trump himself was worse.

All anti-Trump commercials are already taped. All that's needed is to play the clips:
Trump’s flip-flop on whether the Bill Clinton sex scandals are important

Trump praises the economy under Bill:

I think Trump missed the cigar joke:

Later Trump complained about Clinton by saying Monica wasn't good looking enough, not because Bill had the affair:
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None of that refers to the many sexual assault accusations that poor, innocent Bill always seems to be the target of.

Are all those women liars Ginger?
 
RobRoy said:
I'm getting confused on who is running for president.
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This is being sold as a Co-President thing, just like in 1992. Bill is going to be in charge of fixing the economy. "2 for the price of one" as Bill used to say.
 
WildCat said:
This is being sold as a Co-President thing, just like in 1992. Bill is going to be in charge of fixing the economy. "2 for the price of one" as Bill used to say.
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Does this have anything to do with the economy?

In fact is any of this relevant in any way?
 
plague311 said:
Yeah, a *********** politician doesn't keep a promise. Hold on while I get the news on the phone. Right now I have to choose between Trump (who lies more than Hillary ever will. He can't even a finish a *********** sentence without lying) or Hillary. Both of them are garbage. Please though, tell me more about what my problems are, it's laughable.
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We're not talking about other politicians, and even if we were, another persons poor behavior doesn't excuse Clinton.

You can state that both of them are garbage, and they are, that doesn't change the fact that you praised her lying, breaking a promise, and bailing on her commitment as an intelligent move.

Right, and who is your pick again? Tell me more about how your candidate is constantly honest, has the upmost integrity and so on.
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My pick has the most integrity and honesty out of anyone who ran. Even so, this is irrelevant, and another attempt at distraction.

She's not my candidate, but don't let reality get in the way of your **** talking, and assumptions.
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I didn't say she is your candidate. I said what a low standard you must have for candidates. In your entire response you didn't bother addressing what I actually said at all. The closest you got was to handwave it away with 'All politicians do it!11!!'
 
WildCat said:
No, I understand your tu quoque argument quite well.

Are the women who accused Bill of sexual assault all liars Ginger?

Perhaps the 3rd time asking is the charm?
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I'll take that as a, no. You did miss the point. And it wasn't a tu quoque argument because Trump and Bill Clinton are different as night and day. One of them ran the country well for 8 years as POTUS. The other is a con.

I already answered your middle question, in detail. See if you can find the post.
 
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