A new, appalling truther site

[ozeco41]

I followed the link. I'd say it's interesting for structural engineers. It basically consists of experiments showing that the energy dissipation of a buckling column as it develops hinges may have been underestimated by Bazant.

AFAIK it is one of only two potentially valid arguments against B&Z's finding that global collapse was inevitable. I've identified it many times for two main reasons:

1) For all those stuck in the past - either "side" - it - the Szuladzinski, Szamboti and Johns paper - remains a legitimate prima facie claim that Bazant (AKA Zhou) got the sums wrong - AFAIK no one has rebutted it. ; AND
2) It is irrelevant any way - we now (should) know that "global collapse was inevitable" independent of Bazant because we (should) understand the mechanism. And that the mechanism is easier to understand than Bazant thought it would be 9/12 - 9/13 and thru to formal publication of B&Z.

The issue shouldn't concern us because B&Z is irrelevant in the current state of discussion - EXCEPT for the meta level question "Would debate have progressed more effectively without B&Z?"

... (That's not even remotely similar to a "misconduct".

Agreed. "They" simple have no concept of what "misconduct" means - esp. in an academic context. For strict "letter of the law" by Northwestern Mark F has given us the relevant words:

...Northwestern University actually spells out what constitutes misconduct quite clearly:

Research misconduct is defined as fabrication, falsification, plagiarism, or other serious deviation from commonly accepted practices in the relevant scientific community for proposing, performing or reviewing research, or in reporting research results. Research misconduct does not include honest error or differences in opinion.

Simple. Disagreement does not = misconduct.

I also note that the first listed co-author has collaborated with Szamboti in the "Missing Jolt" paper..

Half of which is arguably T Sz's biggest or only win.

 

[Spanx]

Be sure to donate

And I for one would like to see some form of evidence that a donation was or wasn't made, I would also like to see evidence that he does actually like the site.

 

[rwguinn]

AFAIK it is one of only two potentially valid arguments against B&Z's finding that global collapse was inevitable. I've identified it many times for two main reasons:

1) For all those stuck in the past - either "side" - it - the Szuladzinski, Szamboti and Johns paper - remains a legitimate prima facie claim that Bazant (AKA Zhou) got the sums wrong - AFAIK no one has rebutted it. ; AND
2) It is irrelevant any way - we now (should) know that "global collapse was inevitable" independent of Bazant because we (should) understand the mechanism. And that the mechanism is easier to understand than Bazant thought it would be 9/12 - 9/13 and thru to formal publication of B&Z.

The issue shouldn't concern us because B&Z is irrelevant in the current state of discussion - EXCEPT for the meta level question "Would debate have progressed more effectively without B&Z?"

Agreed. "They" simple have no concept of what "misconduct" means - esp. in an academic context. For strict "letter of the law" by Northwestern Mark F has given us the relevant words:


Half of which is arguably T Sz's biggest or only win.

And I am surprised at how many "engineers" still have no concept of what a "limiting case" really is.

 

[Mark F]

I like the website.

You would.

 

[ozeco41]

And I am surprised at how many "engineers" still have no concept of what a "limiting case" really is.

That is for sure. And it's not only the engineers and applied physicists but they have least excuse.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

It's all over pal. Truthers are viewed with the same level of contempt as Holocaust and Moon landing deniers by practically everyone who doesn't get their news from Russia Today. And rightfully so.

Actually, I hold 9/11 truthers in high regard, almost as high as I do Slime mold, and that's high for organisms that can organize without a brain or nervous system.

 

[Belz...]

The site I speak of is bazantmisconduct dot com and, as the title suggests, goes beyond the usual truther nonsense to actively attacking Bazant. Its mission statement is



and includes such gems as




The "research" papers he lists that take issue with Professor Bazant's theory include are mostly from JONES, including Tony Szamboti's missing jolt paper and David Chandler's execrable 2010 paper. He also includes two Jonathan Cole gems.

I've crossed paths with David Slesinger, the creator of the website, on Quora. He is usually very polite (unlike the other truthers there) and pretends he wants to start a dialog with people, but of course he's a true believer who wants to proselytize. He claims to know at least basic physics but ducks anything concrete. I actually got him to acknowledge that things don't fall at a constant acceleration of 2/3 g, but then he quickly said he'd have to consult with Tim Eastman. (He knows some of the major players, such as Chandler, Eastman, and MacQueen.)

There are lots of truther sites, of course, but one dedicated to trashing a man is a new low for me. So I thought I'd bring it to your attention.

Seems like 9/11 was a known operation before it happened to pretty much everyone except the stupid truthers.

 

[Wolrab]

Actually, I hold 9/11 truthers in high regard, almost as high as I do Slime mold, and that's high for organisms that can organize without a brain or nervous system.

Slime molds serve a purpose.

 

[Mark F]

I just finished reading Galileo's middle finger by Alice dreger, who has defended many others in academia who have been harassed and had their careers tarnished. Maybe he should contact her. Incidentally she used to be at northwestern, he probably knows her.

Contact her about what? This nonsense won't have any legs.

 

[The Big Dog]

This website attempts to provide sufficient information to encourage a campus wide discussion at Northwestern University as to whether Professor Zdenek Bazant’s published work on the fall of the WTC towers on 9/11/01 should be a cause for university wide concern.

We should have a discussion about whether we should be concerned?

lolz

 

[trustbutverify]

We should have a discussion about whether we should be concerned?

lolz

Needs a Weasel to English translation.

 

[Brainster]

Where did you get this figure?

This comes from an old (like ten years old) poll that the Truthers like to flog. They claim that it shows 84% support for their nonsense, but that is really stretching things:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

They add up the "mostly telling the truth but hiding something" plus "mostly lying" plus "not sure" to get the 84%. Ask our resident Truthers if they believe the Bush Administration was mostly telling the truth about 9-11.

It would be hard to find a more classic example of the old gag that if you torture the statistics enough, they will tell you anything.

 

[DGM]

This comes from an old ...................

I'm sure you know, I know about the vintage stretch.

I figured I'd see how he decided to spin it..........

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I'm sure you know, I know about the vintage stretch.

I figured I'd see how he decided to spin it..........

It always spins the same, crazy Looney way.

 

[tfk]

This is just plain despicable.
Morons ... performing the only task of which they're capable: making royal pains in the asses of themselves.

It's hilarious that this clown offers up Cole as a dissenting "expert". LoL.

Especially when Cole is on record as having said this:

@12:41 Professor Bazant put out some technical papers… And indeed it's a beautiful paper. It’s filled with very nice equations. Frankly, some of the equations I don't understand. It is a very nice paper. I have no doubt Professor Bazant is a extremely intelligent man. Far more intelligent than I am.

Finally, Cole says something that is correct.
Dr. Bazant IS “far more intelligent” than Cole.!

I guess designing sewer systems doesn't require a lot of advanced math...

 

[BStrong]

Is it 84 % of Americans who now believe the Official 9/11 report is nonsense ?

Those who haven't followed the money look increasingly foolish .
How soon before the conspiracy deniers will be regarded in the same way as sane people regard Holocaust deniers ?

That's so cute!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories

So which category will Kevin Barrett fall into?

https://socioecohistory.wordpress.c...st-history-denial-a-clear-and-present-danger/

Evidently the connection between 9/11 Ctists and Holocaust deniers seems to be stronger than that of Holocaust deniers and individuals that reject unfounded 9/11 CT fairy tales.

 

[trustbutverify]

That's so cute!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories

So which category will Kevin Barrett fall into?

https://socioecohistory.wordpress.c...st-history-denial-a-clear-and-present-danger/

Evidently the connection between 9/11 Ctists and Holocaust deniers seems to be stronger than that of Holocaust deniers and individuals that reject unfounded 9/11 CT fairy tales.

I consider 9/11 CTs to be a subset of the Holocaust Denier Universe.