That would be the stuff made up purely in the mind of the believer. A very common failure of humans....The specific were right there in the quote box in my post. Every single thing you said was a feeling, not a point of reasoning. Are you now trying to claim that there was something rational somewhere in that pile of feelings? That would just be absurd... not only the claim itself, but also the reversal, after you were just so open and unabashed about making it perfectly clearly all about feelings with no disguise when you first wrote it. It's like you can't remember, or even see, your own words. Any rationality you appear to now wish you had put in there is something you quite obviously and unmistakably weren't even trying for originally. Nowhere near having any resemblance at all. If you want to now start contending that that pile of feelings contained something rational, quote it and show how on Earth it qualifies.
"Feelings feelings feelings... ←hey, look at that totally rational point I just made!"
Stereoscopic vision discovers real information about the same reality that monoscopic vision does, just more of it at once. Where is the additional real information about reality that religion discovers and rational/scientific processes do not?
Why can people have such different spiritual experiences?
Some people might have a spiritual experience that one should love and accept all people. Another might have a spiritual experience experience where one needs to punish, even kill, those of certain groups.
Reminds me a lot of people who claim to have close encounters will aliens. Some see completely looking aliens than others. Some are nice and talk about world peace. Others, well, probe where the sun does not shine
Yes, people like that are a distraction, buzzing about us like flies. I've swotted a few in the past but in truth they're not worth even that effort. I find if I don't even read their posts I can ignore them quite easily.
They have to take them to extremes, or call us liars or deluded, because otherwise they'd have to accept the screamingly obvious fact that spiritual experiences are a very common feature of the lives of millions of sane, rational people. Religious belief itself is almost universal on a world scale (although religious practice has reduced in the west, largely, I suspect due to the media). It's militant atheists and the like who are the outliers.
Yes, people like that are a distraction, buzzing about us like flies. I've swotted a few in the past but in truth they're not worth even that effort. I find if I don't even read their posts I can ignore them quite easily.
They have to take them to extremes, or call us liars or deluded, because otherwise they'd have to accept the screamingly obvious fact that spiritual experiences are a very common feature of the lives of millions of sane, rational people. Religious belief itself is almost universal on a world scale (although religious practice has reduced in the west, largely, I suspect due to the media). It's militant atheists and the like who are the outliers.
This is what you don't seem to get. You don't get to dictate the terms of eternal life. You don't get to dictate to the creator how you want it to be.
But you do get to have your way.
I think Christians have demonstrated over the centuries that they are more than happy to kill people who refuse to convert or who have opposing beliefs..
