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Turkish support for ISIS

I see that the Turkish backed SFA, along with Turkish Artillery, has pushed the Turkish backed IS out of al-Rai and inflicted heavy causalities on them.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I see that the Turkish backed SFA, along with Turkish Artillery, has pushed the Turkish backed IS out of al-Rai and inflicted heavy causalities on them.
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Yeah, and to decipher the article one should know that "US-backed" can mean "CIA-backed" in the case of the "moderate (actually working together with Al Nusra as everybody knows)" "FSA" groups who now apparently increased their little pocket of control, while it can also mean "Pentagon-backed" in the case of the former's opponents, the Kurdish-led forces who created that pocket in the first place (in at least indirect coordination with the Syrian army), only stopped by Turkish artillery tens of kilometers into Syrian territory from closing it.

Why yes, it's a total mess.
 
Here's what's apparently the full text of Churkin's report to the UN Security Council last week about the Turkish entities supporting ISIS and other terrorists. Pretty detailed. It's the second such presentation, the first one from February is linked at the top of the article.
 
That Erdogan is involved in the slave trade and he supports extreme Islam murderers in Bangladesh instead of furthering the interests of the people.

These politicians are doing a bad job. They don't have the technical management ability, or the wide and practical experience to administer the National Health Service in the UK.

It was economic conditions and lunatic currency arrangements which resulted in the rise of Hitler. Now decisions are being taken secretly behind closed doors by the European Commission. Something needs to be done about it.
 
Henri McPhee said:
That Erdogan is involved in the slave trade and he supports extreme Islam murderers in Bangladesh instead of furthering the interests of the people.

These politicians are doing a bad job. They don't have the technical management ability, or the wide and practical experience to administer the National Health Service in the UK.

It was economic conditions and lunatic currency arrangements which resulted in the rise of Hitler. Now decisions are being taken secretly behind closed doors by the European Commission. Something needs to be done about it.
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Concise, to the point, as usual.

Erdogan, NHS, Hitler, EEC.
 
ComfySlippers said:
Concise, to the point, as usual.

Erdogan, NHS, Hitler, EEC.
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It's a question of being able to focus on priorities. Erdogan and Isis and the refugee crisis are a serious matter and not to be ignored, and neither is the lack of intelligent administration and the creeping privatization in the National Health Service. These politicians like Erdogan and Thatcher don't think the public should have the legal right to demonstrate or strike or protest or reform our institutions.

For the past couple of days Sky News has reported nothing else except the Hillsborough inquests with regard to the death of Liverpool FC football fans about twenty years ago as though there is nothing else to report which is going on in the world. It's news management and cover ups and censorship and frenetic reporting of anything sensational and unusual.

One aspect of all this which has not been reported is that, as far as I can remember, there were several deaths of Italian fans at the Juventus stadium in Italy, which was the fault of rioting Liverpool football fans, shortly before the Hillsborough tragedy.
 
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Henri McPhee said:
It's a question of being able to focus on priorities.
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OK, let's see what your priorities are.
Erdogan and Isis and the refugee crisis are a serious matter and not to be ignored, and neither is the lack of intelligent administration and the creeping privatization in the National Health Service.
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Why are these linked to each other in a sentence? How are they of the same kind or priority?
These politicians like Erdogan and Thatcher don't think the public should have the legal right to demonstrate or strike or protest or reform our institutions.
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I don't understand how you shoehorn Erdogan, current, and Thatcher, 25 years ago, into the same sentence. Did they go to the same university?
For the past couple of days Sky News has reported nothing else except the Hillsborough inquests with regard to the death of Liverpool FC football fans about twenty years ago as though there is nothing else to report which is going on in the world.
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Local news will tend to be of more interest to local viewers, because it's mostly local merchants buying ad time on tv. Follow the money.
One aspect of all this which has not been reported is that, as far as I can remember, there were several deaths of Italian fans at the Juventus stadium in Italy, which was the fault of rioting Liverpool football fans, shortly before the Hillsborough tragedy.
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It must have been reported since you know about it. I doubt you were there at Juventus' home pitch.

Based on your eclectic grouping of "priorities" I'll not invite you to organize my next goat rope.
 
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Henri McPhee said:
It's a question of being able to focus on priorities. Erdogan and Isis and the refugee crisis are a serious matter and not to be ignored, and neither is the lack of intelligent administration and the creeping privatization in the National Health Service. These politicians like Erdogan and Thatcher don't think the public should have the legal right to demonstrate or strike or protest or reform our institutions.

For the past couple of days Sky News has reported nothing else except the Hillsborough inquests with regard to the death of Liverpool FC football fans about twenty years ago as though there is nothing else to report which is going on in the world. It's news management and cover ups and censorship and frenetic reporting of anything sensational and unusual.

One aspect of all this which has not been reported is that, as far as I can remember, there were several deaths of Italian fans at the Juventus stadium in Italy, which was the fault of rioting Liverpool football fans, shortly before the Hillsborough tragedy.
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Holy Moly....Football, Health Care and Mideast War rolled all into one! the ultimate Non Sequiter!

Geez...if we can take back Aleppo from Assad, do you thing the Birmingham Football Team will be Victorious? Or...the Cancer Rate in Wales will go down?

Gimmie a Clue!
 
Just aired: "In the Name of the Profit. Liberated Syrian Town Reveals ISIS Oil Trade Secrets"


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An RT Documentary crew filming in northern Syria has seen Islamic State (IS, ISIS/ISIL) documents abandoned by retreating terrorists and found by the Kurds that, along with captured IS recruits, provide a stunning insight into the ISIS oil trade.
Only ten days after the town of Shaddadi in Syrian Kurdistan was liberated from the ISIS militants, an RT Doc film crew followed Kurdish soldiers around houses that had been abandoned in haste by fleeing jihadists. There, they found documents shedding light on the ISIS oil trade, jihadist passports with Turkish entry stamps, an instruction booklet - printed in Turkey - on how to wage war against the Syrian government, and more. [...]
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Henri McPhee said:
It's a question of being able to focus on priorities. Erdogan and Isis and the refugee crisis are a serious matter and not to be ignored, and neither is the lack of intelligent administration and the creeping privatization in the National Health Service. These politicians like Erdogan and Thatcher don't think the public should have the legal right to demonstrate or strike or protest or reform our institutions.
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You know Thatcher's been dead quite a while now?
She, the privatisation of The NHS, Hillsborough and Juventus have nothing to do with:
"Turkish support for ISIS"

For the past couple of days Sky News has reported nothing else except the Hillsborough inquests with regard to the death of Liverpool FC football fans about twenty years ago as though there is nothing else to report which is going on in the world. It's news management and cover ups and censorship and frenetic reporting of anything sensational and unusual.
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This is utter rubbish, and I wish you'd stop telling porkie pies about what you see on TV.
Sky News has not been reporting only on Hillsborough.
For the benefit of non-UKers, who you've just told a mistruth to:
* Hillsborough occurred almost thirty years ago.
* It has been an ongoing story ever since.
* It's a pretty damned serious news item.
* Considering it's a, (genuine real-life), massive conspiracy you should be all over it.

One aspect of all this which has not been reported is that, as far as I can remember, there were several deaths of Italian fans at the Juventus stadium in Italy, which was the fault of rioting Liverpool football fans, shortly before the Hillsborough tragedy.
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Juventus happened, and was reported on.
Are there any updates to the story?
Is it too a thirty-year story of Government and Police cover-ups like Hillsborough?
No... So why the hell would it have been on the news decades later?

ETA:
Back in December, I asked you to provide evidence for your claim that The BBC receives millions of € in Bribes from The EU, to only broadcast pro-EU stories.
You never did.

Darth Rotor said:
Local news will tend to be of more interest to local viewers, because it's mostly local merchants buying ad time on tv. Follow the money.
It must have been reported since you know about it. I doubt you were there at Juventus' home pitch.
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He was watching Sky News, not local news.
Plus, despite some people's need to believe otherwise, UK News Channels aren't dictated to by advertisers.
 
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ComfySlippers said:
Back in December, I asked you to provide evidence for your claim that The BBC receives millions of € in Bribes from The EU, to only broadcast pro-EU stories.
You never did.
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I agree that all this has not a great deal to do with Turkish support for Isis apart from the fact that the UK is, like Turkey, becoming dangerously right-wing, and the UK government seems to support the Turkish war on the Kurds.

What I said back in December is that the Foreign Office, or Diplomatic Service, like the business elite, has always supported the European Commission. It is only interested in embassies in Paris, Madrid and Rome, but not in countries like Angola. The Foreign Office finances the BBC officials at the BBC World Service.

I recently picked up a book called 'The Way I See It' by Alan Sugar for £3, published in 2011, in which he mentions his support for the BBC, probably because of his 'Apprentice' show on BBC. In addition to saying that China is going to take over from the USA, and spot the Englishman in premier league football, and Polish workers having taken over the construction industry, he mentions the so-called management skills of Jeremy Hunt who is supposed to be in charge of the NHS:

"Then there's the brain surgeon Jeremy Hunt, the current Culture Secretary - the man who, when in opposition, objected to me being an adviser to Gordon Brown's government, the man who protested that as an adviser, I shouldn't be on BBC television, as this may be considered political. What a load of rubbish. Get this. Jeremy Hunt made a statement that, wait for it, the BBC website is too good! Yes, he's had complaints from his mates at News international........

Needless to say, Cable got stripped of that particular responsibility and genius number two, Jeremy Hunt, took control of the BSkyB takeover. He gave it the go ahead in March 2011 but was forced to postpone a final decision in the wake of the phone hacking scandal that hit the News of the World in July. Eventually the scandal escalated and such was the pressure on Murdoch, News Corporation withdrew its bid for BSkyB".
 
ComfySlippers said:
He was watching Sky News, not local news.
Plus, despite some people's need to believe otherwise, UK News Channels aren't dictated to by advertisers.
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1. I consider Sky to be "local" in terms of the British audience, since that's its home, but I take your point. It's a bit broader than that.
2. Sky isn't BBC, and they broadcast to make a buck, not due to being a charity nor a public service.
 
Darth Rotor said:
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2. Sky isn't BBC, and they broadcast to make a buck, not due to being a charity nor a public service.
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I don't recall saying it was.

They don't choose how, or what to cover based on what advertisers say.
I know that's an odd concept for you to understand but that's the way it is.
 
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Henri McPhee said:
What I said back in December is that the Foreign Office, or Diplomatic Service, like the business elite, has always supported the European Commission. It is only interested in embassies in Paris, Madrid and Rome, but not in countries like Angola. The Foreign Office finances the BBC officials at the BBC World Service.
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Getting very off topic, but this is a mixture of half-truths and weirdness. The FCO doesn't really fund the world service any more (since 2014); it comes from the licence fee, ads overseas and profits from selling Top Gear to every country in the world. Indeed the government was going to remove all funding to the world service until a recent U-turn. Now it'll get money (35m rising to 85m, IIRC) for expanding broadcasts to Russia, North Korea and more. It isn't clear which department's budget it'll come out of, but as it's ring-fenced money, it's probably academic. It'll also be a lot less than the total running costs.

Why is it a surprise that the FCO has less interest in Angola than Paris, Madrid and Rome? We have huge amounts of trade with those countries, plus millions of tourists visiting each year. Angola doesn't have comparable figures...

...except even there you picked a very bad example. UK companies actually invest quite a bit in Angola, making the UK the second largest overseas investor. The FCO has even appointed a former Minister to act as special trade envoy and the embassy is expanding!

From experience, I'd say the FCO doesn't always support the European Commission, and even if it did, it doesn't really help your argument.

Not sure what the Alan Sugar anecdote was relevant to.
 
Henri McPhee said:
What I said back in December is that the Foreign Office, or Diplomatic Service, like the business elite, has always supported the European Commission. It is only interested in embassies in Paris, Madrid and Rome, but not in countries like Angola. The Foreign Office finances the BBC officials at the BBC World Service.
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No.
What you said back in December was that The BBC receives bribes from The EU to ensure it is always pro-EU.
Complete nonsense, to which I replied, whilst in the bath(!), and mentioned the true version of events you were choosing to misrepresent.

gypsyjackson said:
Getting very off topic, but this is a mixture of half-truths and weirdness.
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Par for the course.
 
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I know RT looks at events from a Russian perspective but RT has reported that Erdogan is a mad Sultan with no sense of humour. Can this be true?

It's like the British Foreign Secretary, Hammond, only seems interested in keeping house prices and rents extremely high, particularly in London. He should be looking out for British national interests, and facing up to the danger of the fascist beasts in Turkey and Ukraine, and Greece going bankrupt.
 
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