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If two barrels of crude have the same grade, is there any difference in their price based on what country produced them?

I'm not really sure how "grade" is defined. I'm sure there's a lot more that distinguishes two barrels of crude oil than just its sulphur content and density. Here's a short guide. And crude oil pumped from two different locations will invariably, ..., um, vary. However, even if you had two identical barrels of oil, it would still matter which country produced them because of the cost of transport. Once they get to a refinery, however, their source wouldn't matter.

If two barrels of crude have the same grade, can you tell which country produced them if they're not marked?

No doubt they still differ. I'm sure that crude oil depends upon the field it came from far more than wine depends upon its vineyard of origin (or the vintage).

Actually, regarding wine, that is a good example of my claim that commodity is a subjective term which is to a large extent a matter of consumer perception. Robert Parker, with his exquisitely sensitive palate, probably thinks there are a million different kinds of wine. My palate is somewhat less sophisticated. I pretty much think there are only three kinds of wine: red, white, and fizzy.
 
It's my spouse's car, and he's pretty tickled about it. He's always preferred a manual transmission, but he actually liked the DCC. Kind of blew his mind, but after driving both, he really thought the flappy-paddles were more responsive and more connected to the car than the stick.

He did, however, get it in Lapiz. Which is of course the fastest color.

I haven't been able to get into those paddle things. I know they allow better control in theory, but there's something about having four on the floor (or six in my case) that's better than three (or six) on the tree. I also like giving my left leg something to do.
 
Almost...

(NSFW, at least not with the volume on)


Well, to be fair, the driver of that car was operating it exactly as intended. IIRC, the driver was trying to pull an insurance scam and intentionally drove it into the water.
 
Well, interoperability is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition to be considered a commodity. A test, by the way, that crude oil fails for its most important purpose than most cars do. Venezuelan crude is useless to a refinery that is not designed to handle it.

Your definitions and criteria for a commodity don't fit what the entire field of economics uses. You're using your very own custom-created definitions.
 
I haven't been able to get into those paddle things. I know they allow better control in theory, but there's something about having four on the floor (or six in my case) that's better than three (or six) on the tree. I also like giving my left leg something to do.

He still drives with both feet. Kind of baffles me. And for 99% of the cars out there, he is right there with you. His current-soon-to-be-prior car is a BMW 335is, and he ended up with paddles and hates them. He's been complaining about it for the whole 3 years of this lease. For many years now, he's consistently held that an automatic is a better option that paddles.

But... apparently the VW is an exception. His hypothesis is that the Golf R was designed entirely around flappy paddles. It isn't designed around a stick. It works better with the paddles, unlike every other car on the planet ;)
 
You are working on a large set of assumptions, sunmaster, and I think you would really benefit from understanding that they are just that - assumptions. They're not reality, and you don't actually know what reality looks like.

The suite of services that constitutes an open heart surgery includes several components, true. But you cannot pick and choose which of those components you want, and just swap them out as you see fit. Just like a car consists of many components (engine, windows, transmission, valves, struts, etc.). All of those pieces are part of the end product. You as a consumer don't get to go through and select every item. You don't get to select which manufacturer the rivets and screws in your car come from, and you don't get to select which valve stem the manufacturer uses. You get the car, as a whole product, as it is manufactured.

Those items might be subject to market pressures if they are purchased separately. Screws are subject to market pressures, sure... but not the screws inside the car you're buying. That's part of a different transaction altogether - the transaction between the auto manufacturer and the screw manufacturer. It's NOT part of the market transaction between the consumer and the auto manufacturer. Similarly, a PET scan machine might be subject to market pressures theoretically*, But the course of treatment for cancer does NOT include that transaction for the consumer.


*Theoretically because there really aren't many manufacturers for that machine, so the competition is pretty thin. There aren't many manufacturers of chemotherapy drugs either. And many of the most effective chemo drugs nowadays are biologic compounds that are grown, not compounded, so there is no such thing as competition.

Yes, JK Galbraith coined the term "Oligopoly" for a market with a limited number of large suppliers. In another thread, I tried to show that some lifesaving medical procedures have inherent costs that would put them out of the reach of many people without support. Unfortunately one of the main costs is just based on my experience expensive analytical machines I use and not medical ones, but I was trying to be conservative. (Spoilered for brevity)

I'd appreciate it if you'd correct any misapprehensions in it...

2. JimBob has attempted to question you on the maths of the issue several times, see (for example) post 207. You've yet to provide a meaningful and comprehensive response.
His numbers are 1. Made up and 2. Based on delivery in the current system.

My estimates for the fundamental costs are conservative estimates. I also did ask where my assumptions or calculations were incorrect, because I have freely admitted to not being an expert in this industry. However, I am an engineer in another capital-intensive industry, and have to factor in the expected return on capital, effects on capacity, and depreciation/amortisation of equipment when comparing technologies.

This is how the free market works in such industries, which I contend is similar in those respects to healthcare. If investors think that they could get a better return in capital by sticking their money in the bank, or buying government bonds, then the required capital for any medical equipment won't get invested.


Please could you give me better numbers then.

In answer to point #2 that the numbers are based on the current system. How will this affect any of these numbers? Especially if you seem to be arguing for an increase in medical salaries elsewhere in this thread.

My questions are highlighted in this

How so? In a free market, if enough people choose not to buy commodity x because it's too expensive, then the price of commodity x has to come down.

ETA2: added in post to which I was mainly responding:
How, exactly, would you have had me budget for 1.2 million dollars in healthcare costs for cancer over the past 7 years (a significant amount of which wasn't covered under insurance?)

In our current system, I wouldn't. 1.2 million is a crap-ton of money and there's no way it should cost so much. You indicated that the insurance didn't cover much of that figure. Are you saying that your out-of-pocket is 1.2 mil or that the total bill was 1.2 mil, the insurance paid a chunk and you are left with a chunk? If so, what was your chunk?

It's hard to argue when the argument becomes personalized in this way. I'm not trying to offend you and I apologize if I did so, sincerely.




I did some calculations earlier, and I'd like you to answer where they are wrong:

Individuals can soon run up costs that are excessive. That is why we need some pooling of risk to as "insurance". You need some administrative overhead, and I'd contend that the US has a wasteful system.

You are wrong that the poor are not an attractive market.

Walmart has done pretty well suppling to the poor.


But they wouldn't make any money in selling inherently expensive treatment at below cost.

According to this the median net worth of a renting household was $4k in 2004 (if I am reading the data correctly)

How could a household with a net worth of that actually pay any more than $4k for anything? Especially as they are likely to be poor credit risks, so borrowiong the money would be difficult.

Can we get the coronary healthcare cost below $4k?

5-hour bypass surgery: General surgeon with less than 1-year experience, $170k, Anaesthetist , less than 1-year experience, median salary $145k.
Would 5-hour surgery suddenly require different numbers of staff? Would the salaries suddenly reduce. Note also that I chose the median salaries of inexperienced medical staff, so this is almost certainly a gross under estimate.
Both work 60 hour weeks for 50 weeks a year. This means that their combined equivalent hourly rate is $105/hour.

Now they are not performing surgery all of that time, so the actual money that the they are paid as an hourly rate whilst in theatre has to be higher.
I have no idea how long surgeons can work for, but for intricate, physically demanding work where mistakes are unacceptable, this is also far too long, so this cost multiplier is also far too low
As well as the two highly-skilled doctors, you need support staff, (in one photo, the team seemed to be four people), so that makes two other wages that need paying directly during the surgery.

You also need to pay for the use of the theatre, and expensive equipment, say $3million, depreciated over 5-years, when the equipment is in yse 52 weeks per year, gives a theatre cost of $11.5k/week. Now the theatre can't be in use all this time, there has to be preparation, so (generously) we could also assume a 60-hour week for the theatre, which gives $190/hour just for the theatre. Actually it will cost a lot more than this, but I am making a conservative point.
Now, I couldn't find any information for the capital cost of the theatres but given the cost of medical equipment, and facilities for such a room, I would think this is possibly conservative (I do admit that this is cost that I have least confidence in).
So far just taking the cost of the theatre depreciation and the salaries of the surgeon and anaesthetist, both at the bottom of their respective pay scales, and both working 60-hr weeks in theatre, we get to $295/hour, or $14745 for the five-hour surgery.

You could probably double this for more realistic utilisation rates.



You now need to add in the cost of the other two team members, and of the provision of facilities, and of the proportion of the hospital capital cost that is being depreciated (say over 30 years), and the cost of the bed and accomodation over (three days) stay in hospital.

It soon costs more than the $4k that these people have.


Unless you are referring to capitalism, for the "current system" that could be changed, these costs are basic costs before any of the overhead to pay for the administration, advertising, and the various profit margins that are needed to actually provide a return on investment.

The above costs would be reasonably similar for the provider in many countries. The administration cost is vastly different though. Upthread, I posted an analysis suggesting that about 8% of the cost is due to reasonable administration, and about 23% is due to excess administration and marketing in the US system.



Strawman. Why would his happen? Would my doctor keep trying to gouge me every time I made an appointment? I used to have an auto mechanic that I liked (before I refreshed all of my cars) and would use frequently. He didn't do that. I have a housekeeper who cleans my house once per week. She doesn't do that. I have a guy who mows my lawn every week and plows my driveway in the winter. He doesn't do that. Do you think doctors would abandon customer service in a free market? Would patients switch back and forth just to save a few bucks? Maybe, but if they did, it's because they preferred the money to the continuity.

They might if they are good economists* - you don't need a housekeeper, and anyone who can pick up a vacuum cleaner can provide some housekeeping job. I have a postgraduate science degree and would be unable to be a doctor without years of training - unlike many I do have the academic ability to be a MD. The markets are completely different.

If I have a minor illness, I could endure some discomfort, or go to a doctor, and I am not in a completely weak position. If, however I have something worse, then, firstly I am going to be feeling rubbish, which is not going to help my negotiating skills, and secondly, I know that I need the doctor, so they can charge as much as they want.

The price spread between different grades is constantly changing, and some grades of crude oil cannot be refined economically (or at all) at many refineries. The price difference between Venezuelan crude oil and West Texas Intermediate is currently about $10/bbl, which is 30% of the price of Venezuelan crude. This is a far larger price difference than between two cars in the same market segment.
The prices are still related, if the holder of a huge amount of West Texas Intermediate decided to sell at $1 per barrel, the price of other grades would fall.

If Toyota decided to sell the Yaris at $1000, the price of Aston Martins would not be affected.

What bespoke treatment? Give me some examples. Interestingly, Medicare (which the single-payer advocates want to turn into Medicare for all) has price lists for thousands of different procedures. Everything that is done has to be slotted into a particular bin or code. Otherwise the provider doesn't get reimbursed. Medicare certainly treats health care services as commodities. Unfortunately, it completely precludes any free market competition.
You need to take account of peoples medical history and their personal situation, Emily's Cat gave a personal example here


No, it's not unique, but it's far more common in health care. And not just ER. I'll share a personal anecdote here, by means of illustration. Several years ago I had a uterine fibroid that was undiagnosed. It hemorrhaged, and I nearly bled to death. ER gave me fluid to keep me alive, but really only stabilized me. I had 4 weeks in which to decide on a course of treatment that ranged from full hysterectomy to embolization, all of which had different costs, different recovery times, and different impacts on my fertility, as well as how much risk I had if I were to become pregnant. I had four week in which to try to decide whether I wanted to have kids in the future, how long I would be out of work for recovery, and how much I could afford... as well as find the proper doctor to do the work (including possibly a surgeon), book the procedure, and arrange for a blood transfusion (with all the decisions about risk that go with that). I have more medical knowledge than your average bear, and at the end of the day, there was a whole lot that I just did whatever my doctor told me to do. I ended up choosing myomectomy because it was the only one that gave me the option to have kids and had a moderate recovery time. As for which surgeon, which anesthesiologist, which hospital, etc? I did what I was told. I didn't question - the amount of research would have been prohibitive, and I didn't have either the time or the emotional bandwidth to deal with it all. I was a bit more concerned about not being dead, as well as making arrangements for my family just in case something went wrong on the operating table.

Should she have been certain that she never was going to want children, one set of options would have lacked a downside that could have been very important otherwise. This was not limited to consideration of only medical issues, but one that involved her assessment of her possible future family situation.

As to your statement about price lists. Suppose you list the hundred most common independent medical situations, then list the price you think they cost. If they affect the options for other treatment (breast cancer treatment for a pregnant mother, for example) then you have a matrix of 10,000 treatment options, for only two of those independently occurring. But there is nothing stopping more of some of these co-occurring, for example breast cancer treatment for someone who is diabetic and pregnant. You are now on a matrix of one-million treatment combinations, and you have only limited yourself to the hundred most common situations. This is far simpler than the situation in reality.

I don't know how Medicare works, but a friend was telling me about her job as a paediatric psychiatric nurse. In the NHS, an average price is agreed for a treatment, and private suppliers can bid to provide the service in at least some cases, and this is a bugeting tool rather than the price that any individual course of treatment is. The example she gave was the Mayo Clinic providing treatment for eating disorders. The costing model is too simplistic, and they tend to treat people with only eating disorders, which makes their outcome measures good compared to the NHS units that also treat eating disorders associated with other psychiatric problems.

*There are several experiments using economic games where economics students tend to do worse than the general public, based on multiple rounds of games with a prisoner's dilemma: If Alice and Bob cooperate, then they both get 10 dollars. If one cheats they get 20 dollars and the other gets nothing. If both cheat, they get one dollar.

Most people start the first round cooperating and continue, unless someone has cheated them. Economics students had decided that everyone was a rational actor, and the rational thing to do was to ensure they get something so cheat. Over twenty rounds, normal people tend to get 200 dollars each, whilst economics students tend to get either 29 dollars or 20 dollars depending on the person they were playing with.

This is moderately old news, so presumably economics students are now taught about this.
 
If there are no affordable after xmas specials, what do you do... wait forever?
Don't be silly, you carry on your life as usual infecting people around you with your TB. That will increase the demand for x-rays which on the short term drive prices up but that will me lots of money that can be ploughed back into x-ray research which will mean in just 20 years time you will be able to get your chest x-ray for 50 cents!
 
I wouldn't say that doctors are commodities but just about every tool they use certainly is. A lipid test from LabCorp is as good as one from Quest, for example. Similarly for imaging, etc.

In any case, I don't think the benfits of a free market are lost if doctors aren't commodities. I think if pricing wasn't obscured by the third party payor system, people would be a lot more price sensitive and prices for just about everything would have to come down.
 
Yes, JK Galbraith coined the term "Oligopoly" for a market with a limited number of large suppliers.

Other markets are far better examples of oligopolies than the health care market, and their prices haven't risen at triple the rate of inflation. Aside from the fact that you only need two competitors to create competition, there are always substitutes or near-substitutes, so oligopolies, let alone monopolies, do not have unlimited pricing power.

In another thread, I tried to show that some lifesaving medical procedures have inherent costs that would put them out of the reach of many people without support.

That's irrelevant. As long as the expected cost (i.e. the cost times the probability of needing to pay that cost) is within reach, that's all you need. Financial products like insurance can take care of mismatches caused by timing or bad luck. Even with the inflated cost of health care in the US, it is still well within our means to pay for it (in fact, that's actually a tautology).

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The above costs would be reasonably similar for the provider in many countries. The administration cost is vastly different though. Upthread, I posted an analysis suggesting that about 8% of the cost is due to reasonable administration, and about 23% is due to excess administration and marketing in the US system.

Higher administration costs and marketing costs doesn't necessarily mean waste. It might, or it might not. Certainly, there would be lower administration and marketing costs if all car companies were merged into one. Or all computer manufacturers were merged into one. Does anybody believe that we would have greater efficiency, higher quality, and lower prices if that were to happen?

Also, a lot of the administrative expenses are incurred to comply with government regulations (from the federal government and 50 different state regulators). These are costs that would be mitigated if the health care market became more free.

They might if they are good economists* - you don't need a housekeeper, and anyone who can pick up a vacuum cleaner can provide some housekeeping job. I have a postgraduate science degree and would be unable to be a doctor without years of training - unlike many I do have the academic ability to be a MD. The markets are completely different.

No, they aren't. Doctors are a dime a dozen. Also, you don't even need four years in medical school, let alone many years as a resident, in order to do a lot of what doctors do. Nurses are capable of doing it, and indeed there are people called nurse practitioners who have an additional 2 years of education beyond what is required for a regular nurse. There are also physician assistants, who are similar. They need only 2 years of a special program beyond a bachelor's degree from a 4 year college.

If I have a minor illness, I could endure some discomfort, or go to a doctor, and I am not in a completely weak position. If, however I have something worse, then, firstly I am going to be feeling rubbish, which is not going to help my negotiating skills, and secondly, I know that I need the doctor, so they can charge as much as they want.

This is not the way the world works. A business which tries to screw a customer because it senses he's desperate or vulnerable will not survive long. Think how easy it is for a seller to screw a customer on Ebay or through Amazon marketplace. Then look at how often it happens (practically never). There was an interesting study of the The Silk Road I read some time back. Even though the marketplace was online, anonymous, and illegal (it was for trading illicit drugs), the rate of dishonest dealings was extremely low.

The prices are still related, if the holder of a huge amount of West Texas Intermediate decided to sell at $1 per barrel, the price of other grades would fall.

If Toyota decided to sell the Yaris at $1000, the price of Aston Martins would not be affected.

That's false. A Yaris available for $1,000 would drive down the price of the cars in the same segment, which would drag down the price of cars in the next higher segment, and so on. The price of Aston Martins would most definitely be affected.

You need to take account of peoples medical history and their personal situation, Emily's Cat gave a personal example here



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Should she have been certain that she never was going to want children, one set of options would have lacked a downside that could have been very important otherwise. This was not limited to consideration of only medical issues, but one that involved her assessment of her possible future family situation.

I think Emily's personal anecdote goes to show how insane our 3rd party payer system is. How could price not enter into her calculation? Wouldn't her decision have been much easier if one procedure cost $100,000, and one only cost $10,000, and she had to pay for it out-of-pocket? Maybe that was the true difference in cost, but it never entered her analysis.

As to your statement about price lists. Suppose you list the hundred most common independent medical situations, then list the price you think they cost. If they affect the options for other treatment (breast cancer treatment for a pregnant mother, for example) then you have a matrix of 10,000 treatment options, for only two of those independently occurring. But there is nothing stopping more of some of these co-occurring, for example breast cancer treatment for someone who is diabetic and pregnant. You are now on a matrix of one-million treatment combinations, and you have only limited yourself to the hundred most common situations. This is far simpler than the situation in reality.

A free market can handle the complexity of millions of different transactions and bundles quite easily. It does so in almost every other area of the economy. My point is that it is crazy to have price lists distributed by a central authority. But that's what you have to have in a government run system. And that system rather explicitly treats all providers and all services as commodities, which are indistinguishable from each other. It doesn't matter to Medicare whether a 30 year old orthopedist with no experience does your knee surgery or a 50 year old one with thousands of procedures under his belt. In a free market, the latter guy would get to charge more than the former, and some people (me for instance) would probably think the premium price was worth it.
 
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I'd appreciate it if you'd correct any misapprehensions in it...

:p Contrary to popular belief, I don't carry cost-side data around in my back pocket. Your reasoning seems sound, all around.

About the only quibble I would have is that some of those items that you're treating as inherently costly have a very significant amount of mark-up prior to them showing up in the hospital or doctor's office. So there's some room for argument as to whether they should be as inherently high as they are, or if there should be a reduction in cost somewhere else along the line. But that's a bit of a different discussion than you were having.
 
I think if pricing wasn't obscured by the third party payor system, people would be a lot more price sensitive and prices for just about everything would have to come down.

This is true - the intermediary totally messes up the demand-supply relationship. The flip side to this, however, is that without that third-party payer system, lots of people would die because they can't afford the treatment costs all in one swell foop. Gotta pick your battles ;)
 
Other markets are far better examples of oligopolies than the health care market, and their prices haven't risen at triple the rate of inflation. Aside from the fact that you only need two competitors to create competition, there are always substitutes or near-substitutes, so oligopolies, let alone monopolies, do not have unlimited pricing power.
Drugs and a lot of medical equipment have patents, and so have no competitors. Some drugs have no efficacious substitutions. There are NOT always substitutions or near-substitutions.

That's false. A Yaris available for $1,000 would drive down the price of the cars in the same segment, which would drag down the price of cars in the next higher segment, and so on. The price of Aston Martins would most definitely be affected.
So when Kia entered the market with very low-cost cars, the price of Porsche came down because of it, yes?

Hint: No. The price of Porsche did not drop because of Kia. That's not a thing.

I think Emily's personal anecdote goes to show how insane our 3rd party payer system is. How could price not enter into her calculation? Wouldn't her decision have been much easier if one procedure cost $100,000, and one only cost $10,000, and she had to pay for it out-of-pocket? Maybe that was the true difference in cost, but it never entered her analysis.
If I had to pay for it out of pocket, I would have died. Just to level set the factors involved in the transaction, since you don't seem to be getting that part.
 
Drugs and a lot of medical equipment have patents, and so have no competitors. Some drugs have no efficacious substitutions. There are NOT always substitutions or near-substitutions.

You've got the stuff that is off-patent, which can't conceivably be further removed from the state of the art by more than 10 years.

So when Kia entered the market with very low-cost cars, the price of Porsche came down because of it, yes?

It depends if Kia was selling cheaper cars by compromising on quality and bells and whistles, or if it was genuinely selling cars with comparable quality for a much lower price. I suspect the former. If the latter, then certainly the price of all cars would come down.

Hint: No. The price of Porsche did not drop because of Kia. That's not a thing.

I doubt you have any evidence of this.

If I had to pay for it out of pocket, I would have died. Just to level set the factors involved in the transaction, since you don't seem to be getting that part.

Under my preferred system, you'd have 100% out-of-pocket costs up to some limit (which each family determines for itself), plus catastrophic insurance for anything above that (maybe with some kind of cost-sharing like co-insurance, or whatnot). An expensive medical procedure wouldn't bankrupt you, but it would make you think about (and want to minimize) the financial cost.

As for your particular procedure, I'm a little surprised that it would be that expensive (given that you have the resources to buy a $38,000 car). Perhaps you're thinking of the completely unrealistic "listed price" versus what the insurance companies have negotiated (which is probably about 110% of the Medicare price)?
 
:p Contrary to popular belief, I don't carry cost-side data around in my back pocket. Your reasoning seems sound, all around.

About the only quibble I would have is that some of those items that you're treating as inherently costly have a very significant amount of mark-up prior to them showing up in the hospital or doctor's office. So there's some room for argument as to whether they should be as inherently high as they are, or if there should be a reduction in cost somewhere else along the line. But that's a bit of a different discussion than you were having.

Cheers - I didn't expect you to, but thought you might have a feel for any egregious errors.
 
Other markets are far better examples of oligopolies than the health care market, and their prices haven't risen at triple the rate of inflation. Aside from the fact that you only need two competitors to create competition, there are always substitutes or near-substitutes, so oligopolies, let alone monopolies, do not have unlimited pricing power.

The medical equipment market will be dominated by large players - especially when you get up to something of the complexity of an MRI scanner.

Toshiba Cannon, Siemens, Hitachi, GE, and Philips make up about 95% of the MRI imaging market. That looks like a market with a pretty high barrier to entry and a limited number of players to me.

It will be similar for other high-tech complex medical equipment with a large capital outlay.
 
In another thread, I tried to show that some lifesaving medical procedures have inherent costs that would put them out of the reach of many people without support.

That's irrelevant. As long as the expected cost (i.e. the cost times the probability of needing to pay that cost) is within reach, that's all you need. Financial products like insurance can take care of mismatches caused by timing or bad luck. Even with the inflated cost of health care in the US, it is still well within our means to pay for it (in fact, that's actually a tautology).

No it isn't irrelevant, the highlighted portion is where the assumption is wrong for many people. Chronic illness is often a causal factor in poverty as it restricts earning potential for the person and any carers. Poverty is also associated with poor health so the people most likely to need the more expensive treatment are those who are least likely to be able to afford it.
 
This is not the way the world works. A business which tries to screw a customer because it senses he's desperate or vulnerable will not survive long. Think how easy it is for a seller to screw a customer on Ebay or through Amazon marketplace. Then look at how often it happens (practically never). There was an interesting study of the The Silk Road I read some time back. Even though the marketplace was online, anonymous, and illegal (it was for trading illicit drugs), the rate of dishonest dealings was extremely low.

There are plenty of examples of holders of monopoly positions trying to screw customers. Shkreli is the most obvious recent example in healthcare. Look at the history of 19th Century robber baron capitalists for more examples.

Bonded labour is another example that still occurs (particularly in India - despite it being illegal). There are other types which have similar effects, often involving moneylending and sufficient interest payments to keep the person in a debt hole and working for the lender with no other option.

That is what can occur in an unregulated free market where one group of players have vastly more economic power than another group of players.

Free markets are generally good but they do need external protections to ensure market abuses don't take place. If your theory says that they won't, then either your theory is wrong or history is wrong.

Medical care is a market that would be particularly prone to market abuses.
 
As for your particular procedure, I'm a little surprised that it would be that expensive (given that you have the resources to buy a $38,000 car). Perhaps you're thinking of the completely unrealistic "listed price" versus what the insurance companies have negotiated (which is probably about 110% of the Medicare price)?

You can be as surprised as you like, doesn't make you correct.

Given that 1) I received the explanation of benefits which detailed the list price versus the discounted price as well as my responsibility and 2) I actually work for the insurance company that covered my medical costs and 3) this is pretty relevant to my profession and the many years of experience I have in it... I feel pretty confident reiterating that your assumptions do not transform into fact merely because you've assumed them and are ignorant of actual facts.
 
You can be as surprised as you like, doesn't make you correct.

Given that 1) I received the explanation of benefits which detailed the list price versus the discounted price as well as my responsibility and 2) I actually work for the insurance company that covered my medical costs and 3) this is pretty relevant to my profession and the many years of experience I have in it... I feel pretty confident reiterating that your assumptions do not transform into fact merely because you've assumed them and are ignorant of actual facts.

No doubt your case was very rare. Normally, though, various treatments cost less than a new Kia Forte.
 

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