RE: clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[The Big Dog]

Dunno, are you done with your stupid fantasy about Hillary going to prison unless Obama pardons her?

 

[Tony Stark]

I got it Tony. You have one standard of evidence, being charged and found guilty, for those you like such as Clinton, but a different standard of evidence for those you don't such as Bush.

If Hillary confessed like the war criminal Bush did, I would say she is guilty too. Has she confessed?

 

[Tony Stark]

So, no. I will keep on mocking you about it indefinitely then.

 

[The Big Dog]

So, no. I will keep on mocking you about it indefinitely then.

Well you misrepresented my position.

You learned nothing from your statement that anyone can get away with a crime

And are going to continue repeating your insipid statement.

'K.

 

[Tony Stark]

Well you misrepresented my position.

You learned nothing from your statement that anyone can get away with a crime

And are going to continue repeating your insipid statement.

'K.

I haven't misinterpreted your position. You have said that the only way she stays out of prison is if Obama pardons her. That is nothing more than a crazy fantasty.

 

[The_Animus]

I was thinking of putting together something like this, but saw someone already did.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4g4noe/facts_around_hillarys_30000_deleted_personal/

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I was thinking of putting together something like this, but saw someone already did.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4g4noe/facts_around_hillarys_30000_deleted_personal/

"Facts around Hillary's 30,000+ deleted 'personal' emails,"
Great, now lets take it apart...

October 2014: Hillary deletes 30k personal emails
It was originally reported that her and her lawyers used a keyword search to identify work related emails and deleted anything else. This would include all communication to non .gov addresses. Later however, her lawyers claimed that they did a thorough review of each individual email.​

Notice the weasel word ... It was originally reported. Many things are reported ... let's go with her lawyers claim, though. (And yes, sunmaster14 is skeptical of the claim, although he has provided no evidence to to disprove it.)

So no real disagreement here. She deleted her personal email, as she was allowed.

August 2015: Hillary says she turned over all work emails​

Again, no real disagreement here. Although there is a caveat - she turned over the emails in her possession, that did not include all of the earliest emails as she was transitioning from her senate blackberry to her HCS server.

Hillary attempted to erase the backups of the emails twice The admins of Platte River Networks, who facilitated the backups feared a coverup was happening:
Any chance you found an old email with their directive to cut the backup back in Oct-Feb,” one Platte River employee asked another, according to excerpts of the emails included in a Monday letter from Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.).
“I know they had you cut it once in Oct-Nov, then again to 30day in Feb-ish.” Such a record, the employee said, would be “golden," and would clear the company of outside criticism and point back to Clinton Executive Service Corp., which “appears to be a Clinton family company,” according to the Johnson letter. “Starting to think this whole thing really is covering up some shaddy ****"...​

Instead of the original article http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article37968711.html , the Redditor decided to use politico. Let's examine why:
In the original article we see:
Boian said the firm had set up a 30-day retention policy for the backup server in 2013, at the request of Clinton’s representatives, meaning that any emails deleted would disappear within 30 days.
...
Boian said, however, that Platte River was asked to limit email retention to 30 days as soon as it was hired -- a directive that never changed.

So there was no "shaddy ****" , except perhaps the decision to use politico as a source instead of mcclatchyd.

FBI Recovers all of Hillary's deleted emails Through a cloud backup system unknown to Clinton and her lawyers. The FBI were able to retrieve all of her emails.
“With the consent of our client and their end user, and consistent with our policies regarding data privacy, yesterday, Tuesday, October 6, Datto delivered a hardware device to the FBI containing all backed up data related to Platte Rivers Networks' client known to be in its possession,” Datto said in a statement.​

Can you, avid reader, spot the discrepancy between the headline and the article ?

So, now we come to (what I guess, is supposed to be ) the clincher:
FOIA Request relating to these personal emails were denied in secret
This week a judge supported the lawsuit from Vice News and ordered: the DOJ to "to file publicly a redacted copy of the secret filing or "show cause why" that isn't possible. He gave the government until April 26 to do that."
It is clear that these emails are playing a large role the FBI investigation, which caused them to deny the FOIA request in-camera (privately) and ex-parte without notifying the other party. This is rare, and implies that the justification for denying the request would be detrimental.

I assume this is the same reasoning as behind the following claim:

From what I understand the latest info basically says that Clinton claimed 30k of her e-mail were personal and contained no classified info so she deleted them but now based on the DOJ's own submission, they did in fact have classified information on it.'

But , no, it's not clear at all. Please The_Animus, explain.

 

[The Big Dog]

Notice the weasel word ... It was originally reported. Many things are reported ... let's go with her lawyers claim, though. (And yes, sunmaster14 is skeptical of the claim, although he has provided no evidence to to disprove it.)

So no real disagreement here. She deleted her personal email, as she was allowed.

Notice the weasel word.... "lawyers' claim." Her lawyers admitted they deleted emails that were subject to subpoena and requests from Congress.

So no real disagreement here. She deleted her emails and she and her lawyers should be disbarred like her husband.

 

[The_Animus]

But , no, it's not clear at all. Please The_Animus, explain.

"I chose not to keep my private personal emails — emails about planning Chelsea’s wedding or my mother’s funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routines, family vacations, the other things you typically find in inboxes"

not only is the “information being submitted to the court classified, but its really more than that, it is information that if revealed there exists ‘reasonable danger that compulsion of the evidence will expose military matters which, in the interest of national security, should not be divulged.'”

Here is the whole story about the FBI's investigation

FOIA Request relating to these personal emails were denied in secret
This week a judge supported the lawsuit from Vice News and ordered: the DOJ to "to file publicly a redacted copy of the secret filing or "show cause why" that isn't possible. He gave the government until April 26 to do that."
It is clear that these emails are playing a large role the FBI investigation, which caused them to deny the FOIA request in-camera (privately) and ex-parte without notifying the other party. This is rare, and implies that the justification for denying the request would be detrimental.

Is it Chelsea's wedding plans, funeral arrangements, notes to friends, yoga routines, or family vacation e-mails for which there is ‘reasonable danger that compulsion of the evidence will expose military matters which, in the interest of national security, should not be divulged.'?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Notice the weasel word.... "lawyers' claim."
Her lawyers admitted they deleted emails that were subject to subpoena and requests from Congress.

So no real disagreement here. She deleted her emails and she and her lawyers should be disbarred like her husband.

Your post makes no sense.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Is it Chelsea's wedding plans, funeral arrangements, notes to friends, yoga routines, or family vacation e-mails for which there is ‘reasonable danger that compulsion of the evidence will expose military matters which, in the interest of national security, should not be divulged.'?

So, you basically ignored my post, re-quoted an accusation from vice lawyer, and explained nothing.

Thanks !

 

[The Big Dog]

Your post makes no sense.

Rereads my crystal clear post.

What part do you need help with?

So, you basically ignored my post, re-quoted an accusation from vice lawyer, and explained nothing.

Thanks !

Lolz, you know the Doj submitted that stuff in camera for a reason, right????

The reason being the fact that Hillary's cowboy server was lousy with top secret intell.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Rereads my crystal clear post.

What part do you need help with?

Let's start here:

Notice the weasel word.... "lawyers' claim."

Makes no sense. How is stating that the lawyers say a weasel word ??

Lolz, you know the Doj submitted that stuff in camera for a reason, right????

Yes. I look forward to your evidence that they shared that reason with you.

The reason being the fact that Hillary's cowboy server was lousy with top secret intell.

And this is suppose to be new information ?

 

[The Big Dog]

Let's start here:



Makes no sense. How is stating that the lawyers say a weasel word ???

Say, that is what everyone though when your declared "reported" to be a "weasel word," and then went right on declared that Hillary's lawyer "claim" was legitimate despite the fact that it was a ridiculous assertion by a shyster working for a shyster.

By the way, you don't believe vice's lawyer or 16.5 about why they submitted those documents under seal.

Can't wait to hear your speculation about why they did it!

Tick tock.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

No evidence it's a weasel word and no evidence why it's under seal.

Just what I expected from your post.

 

[The Big Dog]

No evidence it's a weasel word and no evidence why it's under seal.

Just what I expected from your post.

No evidence "reported" is a weasel word and no evidence why the FBI filed its documents under seal.

Just what I expected from your post.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Reported .... By whom ? Who cares - we already know what the attorney say the did.

As for the rest - we all know it's you making claims - so you need to back them up.

 

[The Big Dog]

Reported .... By whom ? Who cares - we already know what the attorney say the did.

As for the rest - we all know it's you making claims - so you need to back them up.

Lolz, she was the one claiming that she destroyed "personal" emails. Seems like Hillary should, ya know, back that up?

The whole switching burden fallacy that you are employing is transparently ridiculous.

 

[Tero]

Any more secrets come out? Did she assassinate any evil doers with her Blackberry? Too lazy to look up the news.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Lolz, she was the one claiming that she destroyed "personal" emails. Seems like Hillary should, ya know, back that up?

To you it probably does seem that way.

In the real world, she doesn't have to, as has been explained and he rules shown numerous times.

The whole switching burden fallacy that you are employing is transparently ridiculous.

There is no fallacy. You claim to know what the FBI knows. But we all know you don't, and that's why you keep deflecting.

Unfortunately for you , no one is fooled.