If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

NoahFence said:
Oh yes you do.

You're under the impression explosives can survive the impact and fire for roughly an hour.

I'd like to see you do an experiment that can confirm that. Get to it.

FF -
has there ever, in the history of humanity, been an explosion that you're aware of that wasn't the result of an explosive device?
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Please explain how any explosive outside of the impact zone would be affected.

Please refer to my food truck example to answer your last question.
 
FalseFlag said:
Please explain how any explosive outside of the impact zone would be affected.
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Well the entire building shook violently from basement to roof on impact, so that's one way how. The other would naturally be the fact that none were planted. Do you know the level of effort it took to do controlled demo on the world record?

I suggest you find out what it is, and what it took. Do some math - you know, research. Get back to me with your findings.

Please refer to my food truck example to answer your last question.
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Food truck example? :dl:


How about just a yes or no for once in your :rule10 life?

Has there ever been an explosion or a report of an explosion that was NOT the result of an explosive device?
YES or NO
 
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NoahFence said:
Well the entire building shook violently from basement to roof on impact, so that's one way how. The other would naturally be the fact that none were planted. Do you know the level of effort it took to do controlled demo on the world record?

I suggest you find out what it is, and what it took. Do some math - you know, research. Get back to me with your findings.



Food truck example? :dl:
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The complexity of a task does not preclude it.
 
FalseFlag said:
The complexity of a task does not preclude it.
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Nice dismissal.

1) What was the world record controlled demolition?
2) What did it take to set that record - physically. Manpower, equipment, supplies, etc.
3) Extrapolate with the size of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.


Report back with your findings.

I've done this already. Simply using the amount of detcord needed, having none found at the site, brings Controlled Demo in the case of the WTC into the physically impossible.


Controlled Demo at the WTC site on 9/11 is without room for doubt, the most insanely stupid idea any human being has EVER come up with. Period, full stop. It's not complex. It's impossible. The sooner you people drop this crap the sooner you people can rejoin the land of the sane. We welcome you people.
 
NoahFence said:
Nice dismissal.

1) What was the world record controlled demolition?
2) What did it take to set that record - physically. Manpower, equipment, supplies, etc.
3) Extrapolate with the size of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.


Report back with your findings.

I've done this already. Simply using the amount of detcord needed, having none found at the site, brings Controlled Demo in the case of the WTC into the physically impossible.


Controlled Demo at the WTC site on 9/11 is without room for doubt, the most insanely stupid idea any human being has EVER come up with. Period, full stop. It's not complex. It's impossible. The sooner you people drop this crap the sooner you people can rejoin the land of the sane. We welcome you people.
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Are you an expert in CD? If you're not an expert, why are you so sure you're correct? Doesn't it make more sense to let real experts do a real investigation to see what "actually" happened?

You have a lot of questions that a real investigation could answer. Support a real investigation by signing the AE911T petition.
 
FalseFlag said:
So, in your world, an experiment that replicates the motions observed during the collapse of two 110 story buildings is irrelevant?
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There's an art devoted entirely to replicating the observed motions of things. It's called puppetry.

It's an ancient and (in modern times) respected craft. It's particularly well-suited for telling fantasy stories to young children.

Alas, replicating motion is not a valid basis for understanding the phenomena replicated. That's why medical researchers don't use the Cookie Monster for nutrition studies, and why Cole's experiments puppet show is of no engineering value.
 
FalseFlag said:
Translation: OMG, why won't FalseFlag just go away? Let's keep attacking him and hope it will make him go away.

Just so you know, I'm not going away, so stop attacking.
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No one's "attacking". You are ignorant. You admitted that you know nothing of the relevant physics, refuse to educate yourself, and ask others to perpetually explain everything to you over and over like a child asking "why?". You have admitted to trolling, in addition to this.

The only one attacking you is yourself.
 
FalseFlag said:
Are you an expert in CD? If you're not an expert, why are you so sure you're correct? Doesn't it make more sense to let real experts do a real investigation to see what "actually" happened?

You have a lot of questions that a real investigation could answer. Support a real investigation by signing the AE911T petition.
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I'm an expert in English.
That's all I need. Have you run the numbers yet? I did. It's impressive.
Go ahead and look it up
We'll compare notes. I'll wait.
 
No comment on this from post by TFK in post 1338
From Brent Blanchard,*
Senior Editor for Implosionworld.com and Director of Field Operations at Protec Documentation Services, Inc.*

A Critical Analysis Of The Collapse Of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 From An Explosives And Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint*

Originally Posted by*Brent Blanchard

“ASSERTION #4
“Several credible eyewitnesses are adamant that they heard explosions in or near the towers.”
PROTEC COMMENT: Maybe they did hear loud noises that sounded to them like explosions, but such statements do nothing to refute scientific evidence that explosives were not used.

Arguing over who heard explosion-like noises, when they heard them, how loud they were or from what direction they came is a pointless exercise…

Simply put, there are countless causes of sharp, loud noises that have no relation to explosives. The only scientifically legitimate way to ascertain if explosives were used is to cross reference the fundamental characteristics of an explosive detonation with independent ground vibration data recorded near Ground Zero on 9/11.

Protec technicians were operating portable field seismographs at several construction sites in Manhattan on 9/11. These seismographs recorded the events at Ground Zero, including the collapse of all three structures. These measurements, combined with seismic and airblast data recorded by other independent entities, provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event.

In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration “spikes” documented by any seismograph, and we are unaware of any entity possessing such data.

This evidence makes a compelling argument against explosive demolition. The laws of physics dictate that any detonation powerful enough to defeat steel columns would have transferred excess energy through those same columns into the ground, and would certainly have been detected by at least one of the monitors that were sensitive enough to record the structural collapses. However, a detailed analysis of all available data reveals no presence of any unusual or abnormal vibration events."

In other words, “there were NO explosives used on any components of those towers”.
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Rescue dogs cross trained for explosives detection.*

Originally Posted by*wardogs

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

Two K9's were lost at 9/11 and dozens more injured. One was our lead dog and the other was one of our trainees, EDD dog "Sirius".

Sirius was K9 Officer #17 of the Port Authority Police Dept. He had just finished his rounds with his handler, David Lim on the morning of the attack. When the first plane hit David placed him in his Kennel in the basement of Tower II while he investigated what had happened. He was still there when the tower came down.

Our dog "Ali'i" was lost on Sept 13th while attempting to find a way through the tunnels under building 6 into the subway system under the complex. He was carrying a video pack and VA radio and was trapped when 6 suffered a partial collapse from fire. It wasn't until the following Dec that 6 was pulled down and the basement of Tower II was cleared to the point where the body of Sirius was found. They had a full memorial service for him. Ali'i was never found.

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection both before and after detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrentiation capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.
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Myriad said:
That's why medical researchers don't use the Cookie Monster for nutrition studies, and why Cole's experiments puppet show is of no engineering value.
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Does the Cookie Monster have a digestive system? No. That might be the reason he is not used for nutrition studies.

Your example does not apply to Cole's experiments.
 
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