A Second Channel of Communication?

I think it may be evidence for the existence of a force that has worked through the unconscious minds of the writers (and any subsequent editors) of that verse to encode mathematics.

Or in religious terms it is evidence for the divine inspiration of scripture.

Which basis of numerology?

Ah hebrai and the don't even get it right the final value of 'mem' is 600 and not 40, so they messed that up the value they give of 'heaven' as 395 should be 655!

So that is a big old NOPE!
 
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Now, given that the verses were written by different authors, widely spaced in time, and that they reveal a coordinated pair of numbers, which can be expressed as triangle 2701 mounted upon plinth 3627, giving triangle 6328, 2701 being 37 X 73, 3627 being 39 X 93, and that these same verses also reveal reasonable estimates of pi and e
No, they do not "reveal" reasonable estimates of pi and e. What happened here is that somebody fiddled about with the numbers until they found a way to make numbers that were close to pi and e. That is not the same thing as revealing a meaning in the text.

You could take ANY large block of text, assign numbers to it, and fiddle about with the numbers until you got numbers that you considered significant. your problem seems to be that you then assume that this proves that whoever wrote the text must have written it in such a way as to make that happen.

But that's not the case. What's actually happening is that you are taking a set of data that is near infinite in size, choosing the bits that seem significant to you, and then proclaiming that you have discovered meaning and intent.

It might look clever and meaningful, at first glance, but it simply is not.

wouldn't you say that this is a phenomenon worthy of further study?
I wouldn't say it is a "phenomenon" at all, and I wouldn't say it is possible to "study" it at all.

My lucky number is 132,333,332.5 The first two digits reversed and divided by ten are 3.1 with the next digit that's 3.12. Add the next 3 and you get 3.15. Divide the next two digits and you get 1, subtract that one and you get 3.14. Divide the next two digits and you get 1, put that on the end and you get 3.141. It's a good estimate of Pi!

Have I made a "discovery"? Have I discovered a "phenomenon"? Does this incredible discovery merit "study"?

No, of course not. All I've actually done is take a number and fiddle about with it to make another number. If I'd fiddled about with it in other ways, then I would have gotten other numbers that were significant in different ways, or that were not significant at all.

But in the end, I'm just doing exactly what you've done - selected some data out of a near infinite amount of data and arbitrarily assigned meaning to it.

One last point. If you concatenation the verse values, to give 27013627, then square this number
But why would you do that? That's the thing you're not grasping - the ONLY reason to "concatenation" these values and then square that number is because it's the way of getting to the number that you think is significant.

But it is exactly as valid for me to say that if I take the square root of 27013627, then I get 5197.463515985466. And that has no significance at all, so I have proved that the number does NOT have meaning.

You accept one of those methods and reject the other, but not because the methods themselves have or don't have significance - only because one gives you the answer you want, and the other does not.
 
This is a scurrilous misrepresentation of what Vernon Jenkins has achieved.
It was an inquiry about what the future "study" you appeared to be proposing would be like. Apparently you were not saying it should be studied more in the future, but referring to what we have so far here as the result of past studying.
 
what he actually did was simply sum the numerical values of the letters in Genesis 1.1 to find 2701
And if the number yielded had been different someone (probably the same person) would almost certainly have found some way of showing that number to be significant. And in the unlikely event that they couldn't find anything, they would have found some other way of generating a number from the verse for which they could find something.
 
And if the number yielded had been different someone (probably the same person) would almost certainly have found some way of showing that number to be significant. And in the unlikely event that they couldn't find anything, they would have found some other way of generating a number from the verse for which they could find something.

As it stands, they had to multiply each letter, multiply all the word sums; multiply by some count and divide the twain. That's an algorithm. Where did it come from? Not the force. It was generated by a kind of walking in one's recent footprints roaming a landscape looking for the tallest point.

ETA — For the pi/e rot, not the triangular obsession.
 
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As it stands, they had to multiply each letter, multiply all the word sums; multiply by some count and divide the twain. That's an algorithm. Where did it come from? Not the force. It was generated by a kind of walking in one's recent footprints roaming a landscape looking for the tallest point.

ETA — For the pi/e rot, not the triangular obsession.

You left out, "squaring the concatenation". How could you?
 
Because it's a a diacritic, not a letter. If you want to count diacritics that were once derived from letters but weren't letters anymore, that would include the daseia over the "o" three times, for 70 apiece, making the honest total 3837.

The dasaia over the 'o' has no numerical value, unlike the iota, and the 70 for each o is already counted. The total is 3627.
 
There are at least three answers to this one, although I wouldn't call errors of one part in 100000 and an error for (pi + e) of 1 part in 800000 particularly huge...snip..

Humans are capable of much better accuracy than that. It appears to be at odds of your claim that this powerful being, so all knowing who has orchestrated every atom in the universe so that at this moment and no other the truth is revealed can't even reach an accuracy that humans have long surpassed?


...snip...
2. The errors virtually cancel out by summing.
...snip...

Assuming you are adopting the everyday useage of "virtually" your sentence can be reworded as:

The errors do not cancel out by summing.​
 
Why does god use Arabic numerals?

Why would he not? Remember that most of the hidden information is meant to be displayed as geometric figures, which are independent of which numerals or which base The numbers are written in.
 
So we're not only adding numbers that came from different languages & alphabets, but also counting different kinds of items in the triangle now (first individual points/circles, now rows of them)?

Every geometric figure displayed as discrete units has structural properties. 112 is the number of counters along the base of triangle 6328. It is therefore also it's positional value in the sequence. In fact it would often be written as T112.

Also, is that really a phrase in Hebrew? Each word independently (in Hebrew letters) gets 400000-500000 search hits, but together, they only get 102000, and those pages just contain both words somewhere, not a phrase combining them both like this. The closest thing I can think of is one English-speaking guy in one video several years ago who kept saying "Jehovah God" like it was all one word or at least an established phrase such as "Jesus Christ", while saying he was summoning alien spaceships and pointing his camera up at some recently-released shiny helium balloons in the sky. The reason the phrase stood out to me was because I never heard anyone else saying that, and I don't think I have since then either. And without that as a phrase, you're adding together the numerical values of two words that don't really belong together... to get them to equal a number of rows in a triangle that was previously defined by its number of points/circles... when the number of those in that triangle doesn't match the Bible verses that it's supposed to match anyway.

Yes, YHVH Elohim is found in the Hebrew Bible, in Genesis 2.

I can't really tell exactly what the procedure is here, but I do know there's no way it fits the actual numerical systems we're supposed to be working in.

Pi and e couldn't be handled that well by ancient counting systems, but they can be handled very well by Arabic numerals and the decimal system. That's the system that is meant to be used, because it was meant to be found in modern times, I believe. It would have been very difficult (not impossible) to even do the calculation that obtains pi in those days and of course e was unknown until the 17th Century. It would have meant nothing to the ancients.
 
Humans are capable of much better accuracy than that. It appears to be at odds of your claim that this powerful being, so all knowing who has orchestrated every atom in the universe so that at this moment and no other the truth is revealed can't even reach an accuracy that humans have long surpassed.

You are missing the point. The question you might be better asking is "how could it have been done at all in a universe governed only by the laws of nature?"

As for the level of accuracy, I think it's sufficient to show it is by design, especially given the importance of the numbers, the importance of the verses In which they are found and the fact that there are many more patterns in there. As Vernon Jenkins says, it is nothing less than a standing miracle.
 

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