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Putting aside the spin that your less than credible sources have applied to disputed issues, I'm still not seeing where Trey Gowdy has admitted to being part of a partisan plot. That was your claim, correct?

LoL less than credible? This coming from people who use a *********** blog post as evidence about Hillary's certificates on her server.

Less than credible...that's rich. I literally guffawed, thanks for that. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
 
You can distill this whole thread to a couple of claims:

Being investigated by the FBI is not good when you're running for office. It's prima facie bad because people know the FBI doesn't mess around when it investigates. They only will do it if they think something fishy might be going on. No one would voluntarily want to be on the receiving end of an FBI probe, so for Hillary to be in that situation suggests she might have done something illegal.

That being said, no one knows what the FBI knows, and no one knows what the DoJ will do if the FBI recommends criminal charges be filed. They've kept a tight lid on this so far.

We can all speculate, but to say it's likely/unlikely she'll be indicted is not supported by the evidence yet. At this point, it simply is a real possibility, and the DNC better have some contingency plans in place if it happens.

Seems exactly right to me. I would also make not of the fact that there seems to be intentional misrepresentation of what people are claiming and then gloating over the knocking down of the misrepresentations.

1. Nobody that has criticized Clinton is basing their criticism on whether she has been or will be indicted. Their claim is that Clinton broke regulations and unnecessarily put the security of State Department communications at risk.

2. Nobody is claiming that they know Clinton's emails weren't encrypted initially. They are claiming that evidence suggests that they may not have been and the failure of the Clinton side to provide evidence on this point further suggests that it might not have been.

3. Nobody is claiming that evidence has surfaced that Clinton's email server was hacked. The claim is that standard procedures were not followed for the handling of sensitive/classified data and that the data may have been compromised as a result. Their further claim, is that whether or not it was hacked may not be knowable.
 
Obama interferes with the FBI investigation of Hillary's emails again:

As for the classified information that Hillary Clinton stored on the insecure private server used for her official business as Secretary of State, Obama assured Americans:

She would never intentionally put America in any kind of jeopardy. And what I also know, because I handle a lot of classified information, is that there are — there’s classified, and then there’s classified. There’s stuff that is really top secret top secret, and there’s stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of state, that you might not want on the transom, or going out over the wire, but is basically stuff that you could get in open source.

Now this is almost unbelievable from a variety of perspectives, but we have grown accustomed to Obama’s transgressions against propriety and taste as well as the legal order.

Today President Obama gives us a new top secret security classification for the benefit of Hillary Clinton: Not really top secret top secret.

Loose translation: forget about it. The fix is in.
 
Guccifer got indicted for, among other reasons, hacking Blumenthal's emails.

Blumenthal's emails to Hillary contain indications of secret intelligence from CIA and NSA.

Guccifer brags about reading "hillary's reports" for five or six hours a day.

Hmmm, will Sid get indicted and take the fall?
 
LoL less than credible? This coming from people who use a *********** blog post as evidence about Hillary's certificates on her server.
I was going to joke about joining the dark side it but then I couldnt think of a way to do it without it coming out awkward....

I for one think the certificates are insignificant... since regulations generally discourage or make prohibited using the outside systems anyway. All the presence non presence does is narrate the exact degree of risk taken while breaking from normal practice... but going the route she did was already unecessary risk. Its the bleeding obvious point that gets missed more than just with skeptics of the whole email situation being illegal or not.

Im not a fan of using blogs sources myself... if i do reference them i usually reference to their sources as a secondary.
 
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Guccifer got indicted for, among other reasons, hacking Blumenthal's emails.

Blumenthal's emails to Hillary contain indications of secret intelligence from CIA and NSA.

Guccifer brags about reading "hillary's reports" for five or six hours a day.

Hmmm, will Sid get indicted and take the fall?

No.
 
You can distill this whole thread to a couple of claims:

Being investigated by the FBI is not good when you're running for office. It's prima facie bad because people know the FBI doesn't mess around when it investigates. They only will do it if they think something fishy might be going on. No one would voluntarily want to be on the receiving end of an FBI probe, so for Hillary to be in that situation suggests she might have done something illegal.

That being said, no one knows what the FBI knows, and no one knows what the DoJ will do if the FBI recommends criminal charges be filed. They've kept a tight lid on this so far.

We can all speculate, but to say it's likely/unlikely she'll be indicted is not supported by the evidence yet. At this point, it simply is a real possibility, and the DNC better have some contingency plans in place if it happens.

Disagree.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744

It’s the most explosive question of the 2016 presidential campaign: Could Hillary Clinton get indicted for her handling of sensitive materials through her home email server?

A POLITICO review of dozens of recent federal investigations for mishandling of classified records suggests that it’s highly unlikely — but not impossible.
 
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....3. Nobody is claiming that evidence has surfaced that Clinton's email server was hacked. The claim is that standard procedures were not followed for the handling of sensitive/classified data and that the data may have been compromised as a result. Their further claim, is that whether or not it was hacked may not be knowable.

And the fact that the State Department's emails were hacked? How does that figure in to this judgment that Clinton's server was somehow riskier?
 
And the fact that the State Department's emails were hacked? How does that figure in to this judgment that Clinton's server was somehow riskier?

For me, this argument goes to the notion that there is very little substance to the defense of Clinton's use of a private email server.

Obviously Clinton is responsible for the security of her own email server. Security problems with her server are entirely on her. Did she vet the people that had access to her server? Did she ensure they had security clearances in the likely event that there would be sensitive and classified data in the emails even if by accident? Did she employ security for her and her staff's emails that met or exceeded State Department standards? etc. The responsibility for the security of the State Department's email servers is more diffuse, but if Clinton actually decided to use a private email server because she thought the State Department email server was insecure, then her judgment and sense of job responsibility is far worse than I believe is the case. She was in charge of the State Department. The action required if she believed the State Department email server and practices were insecure was to take actions to fix that.

This analogy has been provided before (It is hard to be all that original in a thread that is this long), but this defense of Clinton's actions is exactly analogous to the argument a bank robber might make if the bank burned down the day after he robbed it. He might say the money would have been lost anyway so he didn't commit a crime. How is this defense of Clinton any different than that?

And of course, this defense doesn't go at all to what was almost certainly Clinton's intent with the setting up of this server. She knowingly violated regulations, standard procedures and common sense to avoid making her emails subject to discovery through FOIA. Overall her effort with regard to this was not particularly well thought out and that is another hit against Clinton. With the Secretary of Defense appointment she was almost guaranteed to be the Democratic nominee. All she had to do was not do something stupid and get caught. She did something stupid, she wasn't particularly skillful at hiding it and she got caught. The country is now faced with a damn mess as a result. The Republicans are likely to nominate a candidate that would have close to zero chance of winning the general election. For good reason in my view, most of the electorate is not in sync with this band of anti-science, anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-war, race baiting (in Trump's case), government shutting down (in Cruz's case) zealots. And yet thanks to Clinton's malfeasance on this and perhaps to a degree her questionable actions with regard to her foundation and speaking fees, one of these guys might win.

ETA: Thanks to TheL8Elvis for the Politico link. It seemed to make a pretty good case that Clinton might avoid indictment based on a what seemed like a credible review of precedents. If this is the case, and Clinton goes on to win the presidency, the hope for all* of us is this trip into stupid land by Clinton was anomalous and not representative of her in general.

ETA2: * All except people that are so deeply invested in Clinton hatred that they would rather see the country fail than succeed under a Clinton presidency. There's a pretty deeply invested group of Obama haters right now and the group of deeply invested Clinton haters will probably be larger.
 
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Obama puts his thumb on the scale for Hillary

Naturally, the assumption is that the Clintons have this thing wired, that she's got it all rigged the Chicago Way.

And if the president hasn't talked to anyone involved in the investigation, how then is he so certain that national security wasn't compromised?

She didn't carelessly violate federal law. It wasn't coincidental. It was intentional. There are no coincidences in this kind of politics.

It's like a thumb on the thumb plate of an oboe, or a president's thumb on the scale. You don't press it by accident.
 
Yet another in-depth analysis that covers why Clinton is not likely to be indicted.

Much more insightful, I might add, than "because the fix is in"

http://prospect.org/article/why-hillary-wont-be-indicted-and-shouldnt-be-objective-legal-analysis

Should Clinton be indicted?
Based on what has been revealed so far, there is no reason to think that Clinton committed any crimes with respect to the use of her email server, including her handling of classified information. While it is always possible that information not revealed will change this picture, at the moment Clinton’s optimism that she will not be criminally charged appears justified. The same is not necessarily true of those who sent her classified information. If it could be shown that they knowingly acquired information from classified sources and sent it unmarked to an unapproved server, their fate may be less kind than Clinton’s is likely to be.
 
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