If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

[NoahFence]

What?

No detcord, no detonators, nothing that could be used to protect the explosives from the aircraft impacts and fire. No evidence of work being done on the beams. Nothing.

The fantasy that explosives were used on 9/11 is truly one of the most absurd, moronic ideas any human being has ever come up with.

 

[FalseFlag]

Are you saying that in the event of a fire where explosions are heard a government agency should test for explosives ?

I'm not saying it, the NFPA is.

What is the NFPA, you ask?

National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)

“What Is NFPA 921?

NFPA 921 sets the bar for scientific-based investigation and analysis of fire and explosion incidents. Referenced in the field, in training, and in court, it is the foremost guide for rendering accurate opinions as to incident origin, cause, responsibility, and prevention. It is intended for use by both public sector employees who are responsible for fire investigation and private sector professionals who conduct investigations for insurance companies or litigation purposes. Official document scope.

And what does the NFPA say is the correct thing to do in events where extremism is involved?

N.F.P.A. 921 (2001 Edition) 19.4.8.2.6 – Extremism …. It reads:

“Extremism-motivated fire setting is committed to further a social, political, or religious cause. Fires have been used as a weapon of social protest since revolutions first began. Extremist fire setters may work in groups or as individuals.Also, due to planning aspects and the selection of their targets, extremist fire setters generally have a great degree of organization, as reflected in their use of more elaborate ignition or incendiary devices. Subcategories of extremist fire setting are identified as follows (a) Terrorism. The targets set by terrorists may appear to be at random; however, target locations are generally selected with some degree of political or economic significance. Political targets generally include government offices, newspapers, universities, political party headquarters, and military or law enforcement installations. Political terrorists may also target diverse properties such as animal research facilities or abortion clinics. Economic targets may include business offices,
distribution facilities of utility providers, banks, or companies thought to have an adverse impact on the environments. Fires or explosions become a means of creation confusion fear, or anarchy. THE TERRORIST MAY INCLUDE FIRE AS A VARIETY OF WEAPONS, ALONG WITH EXPLOSIVES, USED IN FURTHERING HIS OR HER GOAL”

N.F.P.A. 921 19.4.8.2.6 – Extremism
During an investigation, many things must be considered. Aside from the physical evidence, and witness testimony, suspect criminal history also must be analyzed. The investigation must include past history and the Modus Operandi,“M.O.” for short.

“”N.F.P.A. 921- 19.2.4 Exotic Accelerants states that molten steel and concrete could indicate the use of exotic accelerants, specifically Thermite.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-...-11-attacks-refutes-the-official-report/32532
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NFPA 921 requires testing for explosives whenever such “high order damage” is present. National standards were not followed.

NIST didn't follow their own standards.

Let me be clear. The only reason I don't take the time to destroy each of your arguments with such precision is because I just don't have the time. Also, you make yourselves look quite foolish on your own. I just point it out for you.

 

[DGM]

Support a new investigation and you might get the answers you are looking for. Go to www.ae911truth.org and sign the petition.

That stopped being a petition years ago. Right around the time it became clear he will never submit it to anyone. Sign it if you want to continue doing nothing.

 

[FalseFlag]

I'm ready, willing, and able to accept the facts, but you haven't posted any yet.

Your posts provided substantial proof that the exact opposite is true.

You made this assertion, "Cole's experiments are relevant to 9/11", and I asked you to prove it.

And I have proven it.

Cole's experiments are attempts to replicated the observed motions during the collapses of the twin towers. The twin towers collapsed on 9/11. Experiments attempting to replicate the observed motions of the collapse are relevant.

You asked for proof. I have provided it - again. You will refuse to accept it, again. Your refusal to accept proof is, in itself, that you refuse to accept facts. You are in denial. That is also a fact you refuse to accept.

 

[FalseFlag]

That's hilarious, there are a myriad of posts destroying your credibility.

I have claimed I am not an expert. What credibility should you give someone who claims they are not an expert? How can I destroy something I claimed I never had?

 

[FalseFlag]

It was in the NIST reports

Where? How did they explain it?

 

[DGM]

I have claimed I am not an expert. What credibility should you give someone who claims they are not an expert? How can I destroy something I claimed I never had?

You also claim you have shown Coles video to be relevant to 9/11. I assume we can take that statement with the same level of credibility.

 

[FalseFlag]

Easy peasy.

Other than a few conspiracy theorists, no one thinks explosives were used to cause the collapse of anything on 9/11.

Done.

2501 architects, scientists, and engineers say you are wrong.

www.ae911truth.org

 

[beachnut]

Corroded steel, in fires from 800 to 1000C - proves lack of research

What steel did you personally examine?

I guess you must have missed this piece - https://youtu.be/VvQDFV1HINw?t=50

You showed proof it was not themite...

You showed steel corroded in fire from 800 to 1000C, and there is a paper about it by FEMA.

Again you are 14 years behind, and haven no clue you debunked melted steel. You failed to post the report where you can do the Gish Gallop and quote mine stuff to support the fantasy of CD.

Cole has fooled you again, and he has no clue what eutectic is, neither do you. My roommate was a Chemical engineer - and I took Chem Engr 101 - you did not... lol

 

[DGM]

2501 architects, scientists, and engineers say you are wrong.

www.ae911truth.org

Provide current statements from the supposed supporters.

 

[FalseFlag]

You need to provide proof that some mechanism exists that would allow said explosives to survive the impact of the aircraft and a massive fire for roughly an hour before going off.

No, I don't. The investigators performing the new investigation would need to do this.

 

[FalseFlag]

Then why are you posting here and what exactly do you hope to accomplish?

Hank
(former lurker)

I am here to show people who come to this site that other evidence exists. I am also pointing out the absurdity of the logic the skeptics show.

People who come here should realize this is a nothing more than a support forum for people with severe cognitive dissonance and/or cognitive impairments. It's also an outlet for propaganda. This is an opinion. I have formed this opinion based on the tens of thousands of nonsensical posts made by skeptics.

 

[jaydeehess]

As a public figure exposing his work for all to examine and review, Mr. Cole has far more credibility at the starting gate that some anonymous clown claiming expertise from A to Z in a forum that permits lying.

how do you figure that?
Anonymous poster Major Tom, has more credibility than Cole, and nobody likes M_T!

Non-anonymous personality Dr. Greening, as irascible and frustrating as he is to interact with, iirc, agrees that once started the collapse of the towers would progress through global involvement. He has more credibility than Cole.

An entire cadre of NIST researchers have more credibility than Cole.

The ASCE certainly (absolutely, most definitely and positively) has more credibility than Cole, as does the AIA, and the CTBUH, and all of those truly professional organizations endorse the scenario that a combination of impact followed by fire, led to initial collapse that then proceeded to global collapse wrt the towers, and that half a day of unfought fires in a uniquely framed structure brought down WTC 7

 

[HSienzant]

I have claimed I am not an expert. What credibility should you give someone who claims they are not an expert? How can I destroy something I claimed I never had?

Credibility is not limited to experts. You appear to think it is.

A non-expert can be deemed believable or not, depending on what they say.

The 'little boy who cried wolf' was deemed credible initially, even though he was not an expert in wolf behavior. However, he used up his credibility by crying wolf falsely and repetitively.

And the same with you.

Stop using all those logical fallacies and actually answer some questions and provide evidence and you might get some of that credibility back.

But you already burned through whatever credibility you had initially.

Hank

 

[FalseFlag]

Still shifting the burden of proof, I see.

You need to show that the experiment is valid for what it's attempting to duplicate and for the purposes you're citing it for.

Why choose the boards he did, for instance, instead of graham crackers or tissue paper?

Why choose the weight he did, for instance, instead of a lighter or heavier one?

Can you answer simple questions about the test you insist "stands on its own" - but never actually defend?

Hank

Ask Cole. Actually, watch the video, because some of the answers are clearly in the video. If you are trying to make the scale argument again, please don't waste your time.

 

[FalseFlag]

he's admitted that everything he initially claimed about Newtonian physics is wrong,

Either post a link to this exact statement you claim I made, or retract yours.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

As a public figure exposing his work for all to examine and review, Mr. Cole has far more credibility at the starting gate that some anonymous clown claiming expertise from A to Z in a forum that permits lying.

You actually think I am anonymous, that's a laugh must be why one of your buddy twoofers tried to stick a knife in my back, because no one knows who I am.

Do you support the conclusion of his experiments as FF. Does against the science of physics?

 

[FalseFlag]

There, solved.

You mean, "There, denied."

There is a big difference.

 

[jaydeehess]

2501 architects, scientists, and engineers say you are wrong.

www.ae911truth.org

Truly professional organizations, the ASCE, AIA, and CTBUH ALL disagree with the slightly professional membership of AE911T. The later two have expressed in NO uncertain terms, that they hold no credibility in any conspiracy theory concerning a MIHOP 911 scenario.

 

[FalseFlag]

I'm not calling for an independent investigative body.

You should be.

Go here to sign the petition: www.ae911truth.org.