Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread II

[Slings and Arrows]

Is that enough?

Predictably, no mention of Hillary's super-delegates and super-Pacs.

 

[luchog]

So now that Hillary's losing more important primary elections, the DNC are finally starting to complain about voter fraud:

Dems amp up charges of voter suppression in Wisconsin

Excerpt:

Democratic National Committee (DNC) head Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) is lobbing similar charges, saying the long lines and other glitches in Wisconsin were "the inevitable result" of the GOP lawmakers trying "to intentionally make it harder for students, women, minorities, working parents, the elderly, and the poor to vote."

"And this is not an isolated incident," Wasserman Schultz said Tuesday night in a statement. "What we saw in Wisconsin today is business as usual for the GOP."

Translation: "It's starting to hurt our hand-picked candidate, so now we're concerned about it."

Priceless.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Predictably, no mention of Hillary's super-delegates and super-Pacs.

Predictably you didn't follow the discussion, not even close.


Or is it you don't know the definition of "general election"?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So now that Hillary's losing more important primary elections, the DNC are finally starting to complain about voter fraud:

Dems amp up charges of voter suppression in Wisconsin

Excerpt:



Translation: "It's starting to hurt our hand-picked candidate, so now we're concerned about it."

Priceless.

Or, the reality version: The DNC is making the charge in anticipation of the GOP planning to suppress the vote in November.

Why on Earth would making it hard for students to vote be an accusation Clinton voters were suppressed?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Or, the reality version: The DNC is making the charge in anticipation of the GOP planning to suppress the vote in November.

Why on Earth would making it hard for students to vote be an accusation Clinton voters were suppressed?

Because confirmation bias, of course.

 

[wareyin]

So now that Hillary's losing more important primary elections, the DNC are finally starting to complain about voter fraud:

Dems amp up charges of voter suppression in Wisconsin

Excerpt:



Translation: "It's starting to hurt our hand-picked candidate, so now we're concerned about it."

Priceless.

Are you under the erroneous impression that Democrats have not been combating voter ID/voter suppression for a long time now?

 

[Trakar]

Or, the reality version: The DNC is making the charge in anticipation of the GOP planning to suppress the vote in November.

Why on Earth would making it hard for students to vote be an accusation Clinton voters were suppressed?

You're right, after the way they've been treated this year so far, Hillary won't ever (2016 or beyond), have to worry about them, or their generation, supporting her.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You're right, after the way they've been treated this year so far, Hillary won't ever (2016 or beyond), have to worry about them, or their generation, supporting her.

Your post doesn't even make sense. Voter ID based voter suppression is a Democratic Party concern where GOP controlled states are trying to disenfranchise liberal voters.

It doesn't suddenly have something to do with Sanders or the primary.

 

[Belz...]

Are you under the erroneous impression that Democrats have not been combating voter ID/voter suppression for a long time now?

Yeah but doing that is only righteous when they do it against Republicans.

 

[Shadowdweller]

Translation: "It's starting to hurt our hand-picked candidate, so now we're concerned about it."

Priceless.

Complete nonsense. You are familiar with the name and record of GOP governor Scott Walker? You know, featured prominently in that source? If not, I would recommend that you educate yourself. Or are you claiming that the primary - when the respective candidates are developing their respective platforms - is the WRONG time / too late to bring up that sort of issue?

 

[Foolmewunz]

It seems likely that Sanders will lose New York due to the odd Oct 9th 2015 deadline of registering with or switching party affiliation.

For being a leader among 1st world nations, this year has really shown me how our election system integrity is just awful.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but where do you get your information? St. Bernie of Honesty Pond is telling his people that they had to register by March 25, confirming what it says on the NY State site.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable? How long have you been a member here? It's all about partisanship. Bernie supporters will decry the lack of democracy in the selection of superdelegates, but snicker because they found some rules loopholes that allow them to snatch a few extra delegates at post-caucus or post-primary conventions.

Spin the stories; that's what it's all about.

 

[Foolmewunz]

So now that Hillary's losing more important primary elections, the DNC are finally starting to complain about voter fraud:

Dems amp up charges of voter suppression in Wisconsin

Excerpt:



Translation: "It's starting to hurt our hand-picked candidate, so now we're concerned about it."

Priceless.

Your need to find a disparaging spin to anything out of the Hillary camp is getting rather depressing.

DNC: Let's end hunger, globally.
Luchog: Oh, sure. Now that Bernie is about to take Wyoming, they're trying to deflect attention.

 

[Trakar]

...It doesn't suddenly have something to do with Sanders or the primary.

If you say it, it must mean you believe that to be accurate.

 

[Trakar]

Complete nonsense. You are familiar with the name and record of GOP governor Scott Walker? You know, featured prominently in that source? If not, I would recommend that you educate yourself. Or are you claiming that the primary - when the respective candidates are developing their respective platforms - is the WRONG time / too late to bring up that sort of issue?

So why wasn't the DNC complaining loudly consistently and nationally about it before the primaries, Why weren't they running massive Voter ID information campaigns trying to make sure that all potential Democratic voters had valid voting IDs, why weren't they running get out the vote efforts to make sure that everyone who wanted to vote had transportation, IDs,...?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If you say it, it must mean you believe that to be accurate.

If you ignore the evidence and blatant common sense, it must not be true.

How about addressing the two key issues?
One) Why wouldn't the DNC point out the problems in the primary resulting in voter disenfranchisement which has been an issue since the Republicans revved up the voter suppression engines way back in 2000? Clearly this is a serious issue the Democrats have been fighting back against for the last 15 years.

Two) How did said voter suppression hurt Clinton? If anything it hurt Sanders.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So why wasn't the DNC complaining loudly consistently and nationally about it before the primaries, Why weren't they running massive Voter ID information campaigns trying to make sure that all potential Democratic voters had valid voting IDs, why weren't they running get out the vote efforts to make sure that everyone who wanted to vote had transportation, IDs,...?

You can't be serious. Did you just wake up to politics this year?

The DNC has been fighting voter ID laws across the country for years, and generally they get involved in voter registration drives for the general election, not the primary. And that's is exactly what they are doing in the problem identified counties.

Why didn't Sanders get his voters out? He has a well oiled machine and plenty of money.

That's part of a primary campaign, candidates (not the DNC) get their voters to the polls.


This imagined Sanders persecution borders on being bizarre.

 

[luchog]

So why wasn't the DNC complaining loudly consistently and nationally about it before the primaries, Why weren't they running massive Voter ID information campaigns trying to make sure that all potential Democratic voters had valid voting IDs, why weren't they running get out the vote efforts to make sure that everyone who wanted to vote had transportation, IDs,...?

And why didn't they complain about it after Arizona at the very least? Since there was such clear evidence of voter fraud by that point that the local party organization complained to the DOJ about it. I notice that they're still only complaining about Wisconsin, and not Arizona; and yet Arizona's voter suppression was much more blatant and egregious.

One) Why wouldn't the DNC point out the problems in the primary resulting in voter disenfranchisement which has been an issue since the Republicans revved up the voter suppression engines way back in 2000? Clearly this is a serious issue the Democrats have been fighting back against for the last 15 years.

If the Dems were so concerned about it, what were they doing back when the Voting Rights Act was butchered by the Supreme Court back in 2012? Could it be the party machine is now benefiting from it? What about the changes to fundraising laws in 2014, that Clinton is using very effectively to pump corporate money into her campaign and those of the superdelegates? What happened to campaign finance reform and efforts to overturn Citizens United? The very same Citizens United ruling that is helping pump money into her campaign right now using loopholes much more commonly used by conservatives than liberals.

Two) How did said voter suppression hurt Clinton? If anything it hurt Sanders.

Weren't you the one insisting that Sanders support is mainly white men, and women and minorities overwhelmingly support Clinton? And who was it that was predominantly barred from the polls by voter suppression efforts?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You guys are unbelievable.

If the Dems were so concerned about it, what were they doing back when the Voting Rights Act was butchered by the Supreme Court back in 2012?

You mean why didn't they get the partisan court not to gut a bill that was still needed? Or why didn't they immediately introduce a new bill and get it moving through the GOP controlled Congress?

Weren't you the one insisting that Sanders support is mainly white men, and women and minorities overwhelmingly support Clinton?

No, that was not my position.

And who was it that was predominantly barred from the polls by voter suppression efforts?

So in backwards world the voters that were suppressed were Clinton voters and only after the election the DNC is addressing the issue. OooooKaaay.


You know if you really want to prove this odd version of reality, why don't you find out what the relief is the DNC is seeking, is it a do-over? Compensation for Clinton?

Or maybe, just maybe they are seeking to force corrections before the general election.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So now that Hillary's losing more important primary elections, the DNC are finally starting to complain about voter fraud:

Dems amp up charges of voter suppression in Wisconsin

Excerpt:



Translation: "It's starting to hurt our hand-picked candidate, so now we're concerned about it."

Priceless.

How deep does this conspiracy go?!?!?