Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread II

[Skeptic Ginger]

Indeed. Not that those 4 delegates will matter, in the end, though.

No only that, it looks bad for Sanders that his supporters did it. They may try to blame it on Clinton delegates not showing up but that shouldn't have mattered, people showed up in the initial caucuses.

 

[Dog Town]

Someone screwed up.

Ignorance...

 

[Dog Town]

No only that, it looks bad for Sanders that his supporters did it. They may try to blame it on Clinton delegates not showing up but that shouldn't have mattered, people showed up in the initial caucuses.

Ignorance squared!

 

[Brainster]

Good news, Sanders supporters! Hillary's sorry for the way you've been duped--if you're young:

“I feel sorry sometimes for the young people who, you know, believe this. They don’t do their own research. And I’m glad that we can now point to reliable independent analysis to say no, it’s just not true.”

 

[Fudbucker]

Wareyin, let's agree to continue this after New York. That will be a turning point.

 

[sunmaster14]

Seriously, Dude: LMGTFY

My read of the first hit, which is a Politifact article, is that you're wrong again SG. Of course, everybody reading the thread is probably going "No **** Sherlock sunmaster."

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So you think Sanders is still a registered independent? And you can't check that on Google?

OMG, both of you. It's a very simple fact to check.

 

[sunmaster14]

So you think Sanders is still a registered independent? And you can't check that on Google?

OMG, both of you. It's a very simple fact to check.

Yes it is. My emphasis is added.

Despite this certainty, Sanders seems uncommitted to being committed to the party. His Senate website and press materials continue to label him as an "independent" while his campaign website lists him as a "Democratic candidate." In his home state of Vermont, there is no party registration.

So can Sanders accurately claim to be unaffiliated with a political party while still running for the Democratic nomination and sometimes calling himself a Democrat?

It may seem oxymoronic, but yes, he can.

 

[Fudbucker]

So you think Sanders is still a registered independent? And you can't check that on Google?

OMG, both of you. It's a very simple fact to check.

If it's simple, then you should have no problem providing evidence that Sanders is a registered Democrat.

In fact, you will have a lot of trouble, because Sanders never changed his registration, and I think you depended on a Wiki page.

 

[sunmaster14]

If it's simple, then you should have no problem providing evidence that Sanders is a registered Democrat.

In fact, you will have a lot of trouble, because Sanders never changed his registration, and I think you depended on a Wiki page.

I think you're giving SG too much credit.

 

[ddt]

"Nearly 9,000 delegates were elected on caucus day in late February, but only 3,825 showed up to Saturday’s convention. An additional 915 elected alternates and 604 unelected alternates also turned out to support their favored candidate.

Wow. Indeed, if you look at NVCaucuses.com, there were indeed 4,889 Clinton delegates and 4,026 Sanders delegates elected to the Clark County (Las Vegas) county convention.

The final delegate count was 2,964 for Sanders and 2,386 for Clinton. That means the Sanders campaign will send 1,613 delegates to the state convention, while the Clinton campaign will send 1,298.

"
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/

And according to this Inquisitr article, the total for all county conventions in Nevada is 1,722 Clinton delegates and 2,124 Sanders delegates to the Nevada state convention.

While the February 20 caucus determined 23 out of the 35 pledged delegates from Nevada, the state convention will determine the remaining 12. Clinton won 12 in February against Sanders 11. According to that Inquisitr article, the most likely outcome now is that the remaining 12 will split evenly, instead of 8 for Clinton and 4 for Sanders.

Clinton's delegates didn't even bother showing up.

This.

That the Clark County convention was messy, that there was some ruckus about trying to depose an official doesn't matter; in the end, it's about how many delegates show up.

But who the hell thought up this convoluted process? And a convention with 9,000 attendees? It's no wonder it was messy.

 

[ddt]

My read of the first hit, which is a Politifact article, is that you're wrong again SG. Of course, everybody reading the thread is probably going "No **** Sherlock sunmaster."

From that Politifact article:

Unlike elsewhere in the world, joining the two major parties isn’t contingent upon membership fees or an application process. Party leaders also don’t have the power to say someone isn’t a Democrat or a Republican.

So political affiliation in the United States is a matter of self-identification, in both the governing system and the party organizations, experts said. That allows Sanders and other elected officials to be flexible.

So basically, if you say you're a Democrat, you are one. That renders the question meaningless. IMHO, a member of a party is someone who pays membership fees and receives an official membership card and the right to vote in party assemblies. When you don't have those basics, don't even ask the question.

So you think Sanders is still a registered independent? And you can't check that on Google?

OMG, both of you. It's a very simple fact to check.

In Vermont, you don't register as a "Democrat" or "Republican" when you register as a voter. And really, I'm surprised with all the resistance there is in the USA against unified IDs and citizens registry that you put up with the requirement to register your political preference with the government. You wouldn't think of registering your religion either, would you?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Fudbucker, you don't seem to know what you are posting.

We all know Sanders was an Independent until 2015 when he changed his registration to the Democratic Party in order to run for POTUS as the Democratic Party nominee.

Why you keep insisting he is not a registered Democrat is beyond silly. And the Democratic ballots I asked you about in the closed primary states had nothing to do with Vermont.

I'm gonna drop yet one more link here
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/
And hope that you can just simply admit you were wrong, sanders is not a registered democrat... And move on.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So let's see, sunmaster14 and Fudbucker are claiming because Sanders last registered in Vermont as an independent that when he decided to run nationally on the Democratic ticket he is doing so based on his Vermont voter registration as an independent. And you say this despite easily verified evidence that Sanders changed his registration to Democratic Party to run for POTUS? And you think that if he were a registered independent he could still be on the Democratic ticket in closed primary states?

FEC Form 2, Statement of Candidacy

Bernard Sanders ... Party Affiliation
Democratic Party

Politifact

Sanders listed the Democratic Party as his party affiliation in his statement of candidacy. At the start of his campaign, he still seemed uncomfortable self-identifying as a Democrat.

When asked if he would officially join the party on April 30, 2015, when he announced his candidacy, Sanders said, "No, I am an independent who is going to be working with the —" cutting himself off mid-sentence.

In November, Sanders announced that he was full-fledged Democrat and declared as a Democrat in New Hampshire. But, as we previously noted, he’s still calling himself an independent in some cases, so it’s unclear how committed Sanders is to any label. The Sanders campaign did not get back to us.

He can wishy-wash all he wants, he can pretend he didn't really join the Party. He announced he was a Democrat when he applied for the Democratic Party nomination. Whether he was sincere or not, whether he likes or not, you cannot run in the Democratic Party for the nomination to any office if you are not a registered Democrat.

Sanders declares as Democrat in NH primary

On George Stephanopoulis

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, let me -- let -- let me respond. I am proud of the fact that that I am a longest serving Independent in the history of the United States Congress. That's what the people of Vermont voted for. I made a decision in this presidential election that I will run as a Democrat. I am a Democrat now.

So unless you are admitting he lies about his party affiliation when it suits him, he is currently a Democrat.


Guess I need to add you to the list too, TheL8Elvis. From your link:

considering a run a

IE before he filed to run.

 

[Fudbucker]

Sanders is not a registered Democrat. No one is disputing he's been referring to himself as a Democrat, but unless someone produces some evidence, I'm going to go with the following:

"Mr. Sanders’s campaign aides say there is no way he could be a “registered Democrat,” even if he wanted to be, because his home state, Vermont, doesn’t register voters by party.:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/questio...fying-for-first-democratic-primary-1446674092

"According to a Democratic National Committee aide, Sanders would not have a problem getting on Democratic primary and caucus ballots because the current party rules do not call for presidential candidates to be registered members of the party."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/

So unless someone can prove he re-registered as a member of the Democratic Party (which he didn't), he remains an independent.

I'm not surprised though. Hard-core Hillary supporters are as bad as Trump supporters: no matter what their candidate does, nothing the candidate does (or says) can disqualify them for higher office.

Yet another example of how far this forum has fallen.

 

[Fudbucker]

I'm gonna drop yet one more link here
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/
And hope that you can just simply admit you were wrong, sanders is not a registered democrat... And move on.

You are aware that the claim under question is

We all know Sanders was an Independent until 2015 when he changed his registration to the Democratic Party

Are you also claiming that Sanders is a registered member of the Democratic Party?

If so, I would like to know the exact date when he changed his registration from independent to Democrat.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So you are calling him a liar then when he put Democrat officially on his application to be POTUS nominee and when he said so in no uncertain terms on Stephanopoulis?

Got it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...

If so, I would like to know the exact date when he changed his registration from independent to Democrat.

2015 APR 30 PH 3:50

It's on his "Hand Delivered FEC FORM 2 STATEMENT OF CANDIDACY".

 

[Fudbucker]

2015 APR 30 PH 3:50

It's on his "Hand Delivered FEC FORM 2 STATEMENT OF CANDIDACY".

You realize that's not a change in registered status, right?

 

[Foolmewunz]

Oh, jeez stop it! You're splitting hairs. "Neener neener neener, that doesn't say "registered" and you said registered." Pathetic.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...ire-primary/jxK9D2LQAAKYdUW9CyjjdM/story.html

Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders successfully filed for the New Hampshire Democratic primary Thursday, just days after Secretary of State Bill Gardner left uncertain whether he would allow the independent US senator to do so.

Sanders arrived at the State House a little before 3 p.m. to enthusiastic cheers from a crowd of about 200 supporters. He was accompanied by Raymond Buckley, chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, who was there to support Sanders’ filing in case any challenges were made to his status as a member of the party.


None occurred.

Gardner accepted Sanders $1,000 filing check, which the 74-year-old senator assured “won’t bounce.”

“That’s it,” Gardner said after Sanders signed the official paperwork.

Sanders laughed and replied, “That’s it.”

Someone could still potentially challenge Sanders’ filing later in the month. If a challenge were to come, it would be on Nov. 20, the end of the filing period, when any other complaints also would be considered.


Sanders is technically not a Democrat in the US Senate, though he caucuses with the party. His home state of Vermont does not register its voters with a party.

When a reporter asked Sanders his party allegiance after he filed, Sanders responded, “I’m a Democrat.” He then called on Buckley, the Democratic chairman, who confirmed the senator’s party allegiance. Sanders added that he would run as a Democrat in any future elections.