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Tautologies can sometimes be very enlightening. They can prompt people to focus on what matters, which is often very simple, rather than on distractions, which can confuse their analysis.

If you think that happened here, you'll need to spell out what you think was enlightening, because I don't see it.

You're conflating my claim that she violated the Federal Records Act, which goes back over a year now, with my claim that she violated laws regarding the mishandling of classified material. I did not begin to make the latter claim until long after the FBI investigation had begun. Also, just because she broke the letter of the law (which she clearly did), it doesn't mean that it's worth prosecuting her for it. A lot depends on common practice and how the laws have been enforced in the past. I am not privy to all of that information. For example, I think she intended to give her emails to her lawyers, and she had good reason to believe that her emails contained classified information. That's a technical violation of the law (I've already rebutted the claim that she had reason to believe that only lawyers with security clearances would have access to her emails once they were at the law firm). Whether or not that is worthy of prosecution, I don't know. I'm sure it depends on how sensitive the classified material was. It also depends on Hillary's state of mind. For all I know, she can plead complete ignorance and incompetence, and it would be a plausible defense. This did all happen after her bump on the head after all.

Yes, I may have confused your claim on the federal records with mishandling of classified material. Still doesn't address why it's not perfectly reasonable for the FBI to determine if it's likely for charges to be brought within a few weeks, as opposed to 8 months and counting...

I haven't put my face at risk. I've put $200 at risk. I'd say that Tony has put his face at risk, however, with his childish taunts. Perhaps that's why he wears an iron mask.
 
Probably not but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. Comprehension is probably hard when you're too busy trolling. Thanks again for the double validation

I'm sure there's quite a few others in this thread you could check that theory with, not sure why you're singling out just one ...
 
I'm sure there's quite a few others in this thread you could check that theory with, not sure why you're singling out just one ...

I'm sure there's quite a few others in this thread who have checked their theory of people not understanding that their statements reflect poorly on them by singling somebody out. Not sure why you're singling out just one ...
 
I'm sure there's quite a few others in this thread who have checked their theory of people not understanding that their statements reflect poorly on them by singling somebody out. Not sure why you're singling out just one ...

No, that's the only one. I checked.
 
A very interesting opinion piece from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2016/04/01/the-state-department-halts-a-potentially-vindicating-review-of-hillary-clinton-emails/#51ca30403ed2

The State Department was involved in a Vindicating Review that would have proved 95% of the emails were from other people to Hillary, not vice-versa and that it was business as usual for the State Department.

Us dopey non-filthy-rich commoners need to understand that an unfortunate feature of our legal system is that criminal investigations remove a person's right to Vindicating Reviews in the Civil system.

One thing Forbes forgot to mention is that it's much worse. The non-vindicating civil suits are still allowed to press forward. The bias of the civil court judges could not be more apparent with two of them making statements about bad faith and all.

Here, she has been convicted of absolutely NOTHING and even judges who supposedly follow the law are making these kinds of statements and even requiring Hillary turn over emails regarding official State Department business!

Worse yet, these judges are actually requiring State Department officials to answer questions. Not from the FBI, but from citizens. They have to tell the truth under penalties for lying when Hillary has already told us everything we need to know!

We know she had no classified information go through that server, that she did it for convenience, to email Bill, with the permission of the State Department, all of which emails were saved in the State Department system. She has been not only helpful with this routine review, but every email connected in any way to her official duties has already been turned over.

But, as Forbes said, there are these systemic problems in our legal system that remove the right to vindication.
Thank you for the article and commentary.
 
I'm not sure how saying that her odds of being the target of the investigation increases over time without an interview is an absolute statement. I did not say that because she has not been interviewed by now that she is the target, just that the odds of being the target increase. However, I would say that if she hasn't been interviewed by now she is not on the witness list. If you aren't on that list by now, I would suggest that you might be wise to consider yourself a potential target.

What odds would you put on Clinton not being interviewed? I have it fairly close to zero.

6 weeks later....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-221509

Hillary Clinton said Sunday the FBI has not yet reached out to her in its investigation into her private email server and some classified emails — and again vowed to fully cooperate.

"No, no they haven't," the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked if the FBI had sought to interview her.

"Back in August, we made clear that I'm happy to answer any questions that anybody might have, and I stand by that," she said.


I keep thinking that if they are going to wrap this up in the next few weeks, they are going to talk to Clinton at some point .... but they haven't yet.

I still don't see how this delay has made more likely she's the target, though.

If the reports that Huma, Mills and Sullivan have been served with notices from the FBI about an interview, then the fact that Clinton doesn't have one of this lowers the chances that she isn't the target.

6 weeks later....I can't find any confirmation they haven't "been served with notices from the FBI about an interview" ... but it doesn't appear that they have.

The investigation has a target and it's not an inanimate object.

When will we learn this for sure ?
 

And for a bit of "the world of the elite is cozier than you think" trivia, Huma Abedin et al.'s criminal defense attorney is married to David Gregory, host of NBC's Meet the Press. For bonus points, guess who married them on Nantucket in 2000?

Judge Merrick Garland - President Obama's nominee to the SCOTUS.
 

Yes, those rumors have been abounding for almost 2 months now. I do think the la times is a better source than ed klein though.


So says a Huffington Post blogger.

:sdl:



The united front suggests they plan to tell investigators the same story — although legal experts say the joint strategy presents its own risks, should the interests of the four aides begin to diverge as the probe moves ahead.
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“The premise of employing the same counsel is that they believe there is not likely to be a situation where they start pointing a finger at one another to save their own skins — or perhaps at Secretary Clinton,” said Dan Metcalfe, founding director of the DOJ's office of information and privacy. “And there’s a sense that if one of them goes down, they all go down. It shows they think they can coordinate the defense to everyone’s benefit.”

Metcalfe, now a law professor at American University, called it an “optimistic approach”: “They must believe prosecutors don’t have that much.”


But The FBI is probably gonna just, ya know, drop the investigation before they reach out to the Kingpin because I sorta saw it on a skeptic site, and those Hilly fanatics are nothing if not skeptical.

Hmm, I don't recall anyone making this argument. Strawman much ?
 
And for a bit of "the world of the elite is cozier than you think" trivia, Huma Abedin et al.'s criminal defense attorney is married to David Gregory, host of NBC's Meet the Press. For bonus points, guess who married them on Nantucket in 2000?

Judge Merrick Garland - President Obama's nominee to the SCOTUS.

Quite the non-sequitur.
 
Hmm, I don't recall anyone making this argument. Strawman much ?

The KING of cherry picking.

By the way, if "anyone" didn't make this argument, why are typing words like:

"6 weeks later....I can't find any confirmation they haven't "been served with notices from the FBI about an interview" ...The investigation has a target and it's not an inanimate object. When will we learn this for sure?"

One would assume that you had a point to go along with your "timekeeping"?
 
The KING of cherry picking.

I would call you more of the Prince than the king, but .. ok :thumbsup:


By the way, if "anyone" didn't make this argument, why are typing words like:

"6 weeks later....I can't find any confirmation they haven't "been served with notices from the FBI about an interview" ...The investigation has a target and it's not an inanimate object. When will we learn this for sure?"

One would assume that you had a point to go along with your "timekeeping"?

Maybe you should read the post I was replying to. I thought the context was clear, and it wasn't that the FBI would drop the investigation.
 
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The united front suggests they plan to tell investigators the same story — although legal experts say the joint strategy presents its own risks, should the interests of the four aides begin to diverge as the probe moves ahead.
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“The premise of employing the same counsel is that they believe there is not likely to be a situation where they start pointing a finger at one another to save their own skins — or perhaps at Secretary Clinton,” said Dan Metcalfe, founding director of the DOJ's office of information and privacy. “And there’s a sense that if one of them goes down, they all go down. It shows they think they can coordinate the defense to everyone’s benefit.”

Metcalfe, now a law professor at American University, called it an “optimistic approach”: “They must believe prosecutors don’t have that much.”

There's a far more plausible interpretation. Which is that even though a coordinated defense has more downside, it also has vastly more upside in that it can help get Hillary off the hook. For better or worse (and mostly for much, much better), the careers of Hillary's aides are tied to the success of Hillary's presidential run. I'm sure they've each made a personal cost-benefit calculation and decided that showing loyalty to her Royal Highness at this stage (and not to the rule of law) is the smart bet.
 
Your second cite is a blog post written by an unabashed Bernie advocate. Can you please explain why readers should assign weight to his musings?

So two out of three ain't bad? :rolleyes:

Your argument in response to my cite is an unabashed ad hominem fallacy. Can you please explain why readers should assign weight to your fallacious arguments?
 
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