Brexit: the referendum

MikeG said:
Just for the avoidance of doubt, and for those who like to take snippets out of context, let me re-iterate that I have never suggested Norway as a model for a post-Brexit relationship between Britain and the EU. It was only ever cited as an example of a tariff-free agreement, because some claimed such a thing was impossible.
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I think you would need to take snippets out of context in order to argue that some claimed that.
 
Information Analyst said:
.......Norway never joined, so clearly it then didn't leave.
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OK, for the sake of accuracy:

Norway negotiated entry terms with the EU, and the deal was accepted by a large majority in parliament. However, the deal was then rejected in a referendum. So, yes, Norway never joined, but had done absolutely everything except join.
 
MikeG said:
OK, for the sake of accuracy:

Norway negotiated entry terms with the EU, and the deal was accepted by a large majority in parliament. However, the deal was then rejected in a referendum. So, yes, Norway never joined, but had done absolutely everything except join.
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Which, of course, is still not joining. Norway subsequently cut a deal the like of which would not be acceptable to most Brexiters, what with them being against both free movement and coughing up a large amount of money to the EU.
 
MikeG said:
OK, for the sake of accuracy:

Norway negotiated entry terms with the EU, and the deal was accepted by a large majority in parliament. However, the deal was then rejected in a referendum. So, yes, Norway never joined, but had done absolutely everything except join.
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You're staying in! I need my cheap cycling ***** from Wiggle!
 
Brexiters demonstrated their keen grasp of EU affairs again today. The campaign had started making a big deal of the EU not repealing a rule that would have allowed tariffs to be raised on steel and thus protect jobs in the UK. Shortly thereafter EU commissioners pointed out that it was one particular country's opposition that had blocked the change, can you guess which one?

Brussels points finger over Tata and anti-dumping tariffs

We must be free of Brussels bureaucracy, so we can do what Beijing tells us...
 
Garrison said:
Brexiters demonstrated their keen grasp of EU affairs again today. The campaign had started making a big deal of the EU not repealing a rule that would have allowed tariffs to be raised on steel and thus protect jobs in the UK. Shortly thereafter EU commissioners pointed out that it was one particular country's opposition that had blocked the change, can you guess which one?
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Guess which of those messages half the population didn't get.
 
Garrison said:
We must be free of Brussels bureaucracy, so we can do what Beijing tells us...
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The next great fountain of dodgy money to launder into the London property market. Booyah!

Osborne has a thing for big simple ideas. Energy policy? Fracking! Infrastructure? HS2! Britains's future as a trading nation? China!

Such a dick.
 
Darat said:
The USA has now scuppered one of the main arguments of the leave campaigners i.e. our ability to negotiate better deals if we left the EU:

"US President Barack Obama has said Britain would go to the "back of the queue" for trade deals with the US if it votes to leave the European Union."

So we have it from the horses mouth - we won't be able to negotiate a better deal with the world's largest economy.

Somehow I expect this will be hand waved away by those who want to exit the EU.
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Tell me exactly how ex-president Barack Obama would have any influence on the negotiations which would take place well after he left office?
 
MikeG said:
Tell me exactly how ex-president Barack Obama would have any influence on the negotiations which would take place well after he left office?
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"Somehow I expect this will be hand waved away by those who want to exit the EU."
 
I'm not hand-waving it away. It won't be within his remit to decide the UK's place in any queue....unless you can explain how his influence would extend past his time in office. Oh, and "those who want to exit the EU" doesn't include me.
 
MikeG said:
I'm not hand-waving it away. It won't be within his remit to decide the UK's place in any queue....unless you can explain how his influence would extend past his time in office. Oh, and "those who want to exit the EU" doesn't include me.
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Barack Obama is still better placed to know what another Democratic White House would do than Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson.

And if Trump wins, well...:eek:
 
MikeG said:
I'm not hand-waving it away. It won't be within his remit to decide the UK's place in any queue....unless you can explain how his influence would extend past his time in office. Oh, and "those who want to exit the EU" doesn't include me.
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Who do you think has a better understanding of the situation facing a UK leaving the EU and trying to negotiate treaties with the USA? The president of the USA or Boris Johnson?

Plus he will be the president of the USA when we would have to start such negotiations.
 
MikeG said:
Tell me exactly how ex-president Barack Obama would have any influence on the negotiations which would take place well after he left office?
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What makes you think he was commenting on what he could influence rather than the simple reality of the situation? Why should an individual country take priority over a much larger trading block, especially when it's put itself in a situation where it needs to renegotiate treaties?
 
Are people upset because he spoke? Or because they didn't like what he said?

I get the feeling that comments from both sides regarding the leader of the (keep on rockin in the) free world speaking up on an EU exit would be markedly different had he said 'Come along with us, you can be the de facto 52nd State!)
 
Strawberry said:
Barack Obama is still better placed to know what another Democratic White House would do than Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson.

And if Trump wins, well...:eek:
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Ultimately in the USA, it's the Senate who has the final say. Like what happened to Kyoto.
 
3point14 said:
Are people upset because he spoke? Or because they didn't like what he said?

I get the feeling that comments from both sides regarding the leader of the (keep on rockin in the) free world speaking up on an EU exit would be markedly different had he said 'Come along with us, you can be the de facto 52nd State!)
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Did we miss the chance to be the 51st?
 
And Hilliary Clinton shares the same views. Those for leaving the EU need to be on the phone to these uninformed USA politicians and explain to them that they don't know what they are talking about.

We now have the USA and EU telling us the views of the leave campaign are fantasy when it comes to trade negotiations.
 
Darat said:
And Hilliary Clinton shares the same views. Those for leaving the EU need to be on the phone to these uninformed USA politicians and explain to them that they don't know what they are talking about.

We now have the USA and EU telling us the views of the leave campaign are fantasy when it comes to trade negotiations.
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