As evidenced by the content of your posts.
For instance...?
Not really, the Kreb's cycle, or some earlier version of it, refers to a process for the formation of amino acids that subsequently leads to the formation of proteins that acted as a pre-cursor form of RNA. It was there before we were, or to place it in a concept that you can more easily understand, it was "God's recipe". You asked , I delivered, and it's not theory, it's concrete reality.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22340/
"It is most likely that the citric acid cycle was assembled from preexisting reaction pathways. As noted earlier, many of the intermediates formed in the citric acid cycle are used in biosynthetic pathways to generate amino acids and porphyrins. Thus, compounds such as pyruvate, α-ketoglutarate, and oxaloacetate were likely present early in evolution for biosynthetic purposes. The oxidative decarboxylation of these α-ketoacids is quite favorable thermodynamically. The elegant modular structures of the pyruvate and α-ketoglutarate dehydrogenase complexes reveal how three reactions (decarboxylation, oxidation, and thioester formation) can be linked to harness the free energy associated with decarboxylation to drive the synthesis of both acyl CoA derivatives and NADH. These reactions almost certainly formed the core of processes that preceded the citric acid cycle evolutionarily. Interestingly, α-ketoglutarate can be directly converted into oxaloacetate by transamination of the respective amino acids by aspartate aminotransferase, another key biosynthetic enzyme. Thus, cycles comprising smaller numbers of intermediates could have existed before the present form evolved to harvest the electrons from pyruvate or other compounds more efficiently."
#1.
Did you actually think this nonsense would get past me??...
"Not really, the Kreb's cycle, or some earlier version of it, refers to a process for the formation of amino acids that subsequently leads to the formation of proteins that acted as a pre-cursor form of RNA.
Massive Begging The Question Fallacy. The Krebs Cycle/Citric Acid Cycle/Tricarboxylic Acid Cycle is used by organisms to create ENERGY.... Oxidative Metabolism!! Heard of it??
It contains
8 ENZYMES "
Functional Proteins" from Jump Street. You're postulating this cycle as a mechanism to produce pre-cursors of Amino Acids??
**Where'd you get the Essential Alpha Amino Acids that make up "Functional Proteins" (ENZYMES) in the Cycle
in the First Place !!!
** My word
And pray tell
, Proteins......as a Precursor Form of RNA?? Great Googly Moogly....Incoherent Absurdity, Hard STOP!
Show us how proteins (AA's) can be a Precursor to RNA (Ribose, Nucleo-bases, Actvated Phosphates)?? rotflol This is tantamount to showing how an Orangutan is a Precursor to Non-Locality!!!
#2.
"It is most likely that the citric acid cycle". It's also "
most likely' that Invisible Fire-Breathing Dragons caused the Burn Marks on my Garage Wall.
You're having a problem discerning between "Science" and "Just So" Stories (Fairytales), here...
"Science": Method --- "The Scientific Method.
"Just So" Stories: Method --- Imagination.
Show a 30-mer "Functional Protein" wicker itself together spontaneously "Naturally" from it's building blocks outside a living cell/organism....?
Daniel: 1. Functional DNA/RNA/Proteins NEVER spontaneously form "naturally", outside already existing cells, from Sugars, Bases, Phosphates, and Aminos, respectively.
It's Physically and Chemically IMPOSSIBLE.
That's just the Hardware!
Jodie: You need to go back to school, or at least keep up with the latest research. This experiment was done about 75-80 years ago.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/do53am.html
You post the Miller-Urey Experiment??
Incoherent Red Herring Fallacy.
I said Functional DNA/RNA and...Proteins. Miller Urey produced
NONE of these!!!
1. Show all 20 Essential Alpha Amino Acids produced in this experiment...?
2. Please confirm the Fairytale atmosphere they used: Methane, Ammonia, Water vapor, Hydrogen....?
3. They used only 'SELECT' wavelengths of UV Light (Good Thing, because UV Light destroys AA's (and Nucleobases) )
4. They FILTERED OUT (using "Catch Basins"), natural process eh
?...the products. They made: 85% carcinogenic resin, that also included cyanides and carbon monoxide, and 2% amino acids. Mostly 2 amino acids...The amino acids will bond with the tar and others long before they bond to each other (good thing they filtered, eh?).
ps. If you post that Jeffrey Bada nonsense from 2008 and I'll Jack that Yard also
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26876/
"From our knowledge of present-day organisms and the molecules they contain, it seems likely that the development of the directly autocatalytic mechanisms fundamental to living systems began with the evolution of families of molecules that could catalyze their own replication. With time, a family of cooperating RNA catalysts probably developed the ability to direct synthesis of polypeptides. DNA is likely to have been a late addition: as the accumulation of additional protein catalysts allowed more efficient and complex cells to evolve, the DNA double helix replaced RNA as a more stable molecule for storing the increased amounts of genetic information required by such cells."
"
it seems likely that the development of the directly..."
See Above: Invisible Fire-Breathing Dragons/Science/"Just So" Stories ect
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/
" As we have seen in this chapter, there is no lack of alternative, and sometimes contradictory, hypotheses. We have emphasized the importance that viruses could have played in the story since their role is usually ignored or underestimated. In any case, viral replication systems should not be only considered as simple model system, giving possible clue to more complex cellular ones, but as mechanisms interesting to study on their own, as witnesses of critical aspects of early life evolution. The availability of many more replication protein sequences from viruses of the three domains of life and new methods to analyze viral protein phylogenies will possibly help to critically test some of the hypotheses we propose. Their comparison with other replication systems will certainly be productive at the end, if done with an evolutionary oriented mind."
Viruses are Obligate Parasites; i.e., they need Life
Existing FIRST, so as to EXIST; Ergo...Begging The Question Fallacy.
The key phrase in your quote is " presently known" and your citation is about 20 years old.
Well show some NOW that
REFUTE IT!!! sheesh. Or you gonna 'Stage 5 Cling' to this Argument to the Future Fallacy?
And how long ago is an Incoherent Straw Man (Fallacy). We're not on the 'cutting edge' here attempting to elucidate the Optimal Intake of B12 for Cancer Prevention.
There hasn't been much on the Laws of Thermodynamics since the late 1800's...does that Ipso Facto make them Old Hat??
That's a stupid question. The formation of amino acids isn't comparable to paper and glue turning into a manual.
1. My specific query in this particular case here was focused on DNA (Manual/Blue Print). Maybe if you actually read the question you wouldn't attempt to clumsily label it out of ignorance??
And
2. The formation of all the 20 Essential Alpha AA's are only part of the argument (which you would have known if you've been following along here
)
I believe based on what you have posted so far that my attempt to dumb it down probably wasn't dumb enough.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." -- Socrates
pssst, we already knew
Another Ipse Dixit Baseless 'bald' Assertion on yours
I never said it was.
If you discount what I've posted thus far based on that diatribe of a post then it equally applies to your perspective. The " Life is but a Dream" argument dressed up in quantum mechanics, although I don't disagree with it in principle, isn't reliant on some form of prior knowledge or plan. That is simply how we perceive it, which is why we are having this debate.
So you won't be joining in over there then, eh? Shocking!
With that in mind, the process of evolution is a perceptual issue.
"evolution", what's that?? Please post the Scientific Theory of evolution....?
regards
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