Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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More evidence of Hillary's dishonesty

Jill Abramson: Hillary Clinton Is 'Fundamentally' Honest
the belief that Clinton is dishonest and untrustworthy is pervasive. A recent New York Times-CBS poll found that 40% of Democrats say she cannot be trusted...

Many investigative articles about Clinton end up “raising serious questions” about “potential” conflicts of interest or lapses in her judgment. Of course, she should be held accountable. It was bad judgment, as she has said, to use a private email server. It was colossally stupid to take those hefty speaking fees...

The same pattern of concealment repeats itself through the current campaign in her refusal to release the transcripts of her highly paid speeches. So the public is left wondering if she made secret promises to Wall Street or is hiding something else...

he asked Clinton: “Have you always told the truth?” She gave an honest response, “I’ve always tried to, always. Always.” Pelley said she was leaving “wiggle room”.
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Travis said:
Also, can someone finally tell me why she's a "liar"? I've been asking and getting zilch. I highly suspect this is just echo chamber feedback.
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You're a Bernie "supporter" and you have no idea why Hillary constantly polls as low as she does for dishonesty?

Yeah, probably just echo chamber stuff.... Bernie "Supporters" for Hillary 2016!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
For what, some semantic argument whether or not he used the word, "outrageous"? :rolleyes:

No, go play your game in the corner, I'm not interested.
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I'm not interested in semantic arguments. I'm interested in seeing what Sanders has actually said, and whether it's actually attributable to sexism. Rather than, say, a blanket animosity to the Clintons, or even just simple campaign season rhetoric. As usual, you're long on accusations, and short on support. And then you complain that other people are being hostile to you.
 
Travis said:
Also, can someone finally tell me why she's a "liar"? I've been asking and getting zilch. I highly suspect this is just echo chamber feedback.
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You're young(ish), so you probably don't have an appreciation for the depth of her dishonesty. She had already established herself as a reflexive/automatic liar 20 years ago. See here:

Americans of all political persuasions are coming to the sad realization that our First Lady -- a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation -- is a congenital liar.

Drip by drip, like Whitewater torture, the case is being made that she is compelled to mislead, and to ensnare her subordinates and friends in a web of deceit.
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Bill Safire was as jaded as they come, but even he was impressed by her, ... um, ... accomplishments. It's a shame that he died before he got to see her full potential.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Susan Sarandon: I Don't Think I Could Vote For Hillary If Sanders Loses

"I think Bernie would probably encourage people to support Hillary if he loses because he doesn't have any ego in this thing," Sarandon said. "But I think a lot of people are, 'sorry, I just can't bring myself to vote for Hillary.'"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._could_vote_for_hillary_if_sanders_loses.html
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The question is whether there are more people who could not vote for Hillary than there are who cannot vote for Sanders. His, by U.S. standards, extreme socialism will IMO mean that a lot of people in the centre will not vote for him and will instead vote for someone else or just not vote at all. Sanders does seem to enjoy support from the left and among the young I just don't know whether there enough of these voters to offset the others.

For such a terrible candidate who will prove so easy for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into attacking Hillary. For such a good candidate who will prove so difficult for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into promoting Sanders. :rolleyes:
 
The Don said:
For such a terrible candidate who will prove so easy for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into attacking Hillary. For such a good candidate who will prove so difficult for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into promoting Sanders. :rolleyes:
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Yes, the concern trolling, not least at these forums, is pretty telling.
 
The Don said:
For such a terrible candidate who will prove so easy for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into attacking Hillary. For such a good candidate who will prove so difficult for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into promoting Sanders. :rolleyes:
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Yes, seeing long time conservatives on this board claiming to have voted for Sanders, or planning to vote Sanders is particularly telling. I strongly doubt that they are actually in favor of anything he proposes, so why else would they be voting for him?
 
The Don said:
The question is whether there are more people who could not vote for Hillary than there are who cannot vote for Sanders. His, by U.S. standards, extreme socialism will IMO mean that a lot of people in the centre will not vote for him and will instead vote for someone else or just not vote at all. Sanders does seem to enjoy support from the left and among the young I just don't know whether there enough of these voters to offset the others.

For such a terrible candidate who will prove so easy for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into attacking Hillary. For such a good candidate who will prove so difficult for the GOP nominee to beat, the right wing seem to be investing a lot of time and effort into promoting Sanders. :rolleyes:
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Still consistently polls better against every republican candidate and better with independents than Clinton.

Though current polls also show the only republican candidate that comes even close is Kasich and he is still 4 points behind.
 
wareyin said:
Yes, seeing long time conservatives on this board claiming to have voted for Sanders, or planning to vote Sanders is particularly telling. I strongly doubt that they are actually in favor of anything he proposes, so why else would they be voting for him?
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I am interested in your use of the plural here. We all know of one. Is there another?
 
wareyin said:
theprestige has stated that he will be voting for Sanders in the CA primary.
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Ah, ok. I see that CA has a wide-open primary. Well, I'd be interested to learn about his reasons for doing so. Perhaps he just prefers Bernie to Hillary if the Republicans go down in flames (which is entirely possible, even likely). It doesn't mean that he is voting strategically to increase the Republican chances of victory.
 
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