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Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread

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Sounds like the republican voice is your chew toy, huh?
Not at all, I'm cheering on Jon Haidt and feeling sorry for real conservatives everywhere, but when John McCain says he'll support Trump because he doesn't want to disrespect Lincoln's party, I think that's pretty ****in weak... don't you?
 
At this time point I think you are intentionally spewing bs. Not sure why you expect people to believe it. But then again you laughably expect people to believe that you're a Bernie Sanders supporter.

Ordinarily one would expect an explanation why it wasn't a false dichotomy but you ran in a totally different direction.
 
A new, unexpected wrinkle from Bernie's campaign literature:

Something pretty wild happened when our campaign and the Clinton campaign filed FEC reports yesterday.

Yes, the overwhelming majority of money raised directly by the Clinton campaign in February came from big-dollar donations. Yes, a former hedge fund executive’s family gave millions of dollars to her super PAC. These things are to be expected by now.

But what we never expected was that our supporters, a large number of working Americans giving small amounts of money at a time, raised more than the Clinton campaign. A lot more … almost two times as much in direct contributions.

If money wins the campaign, as the pundits always say, we should see some better results shortly -- particularly considering that the money came from actual voters, rather than donors.
 
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Ordinarily one would expect an explanation why it wasn't a false dichotomy but you ran in a totally different direction.
Ordinarily one would expect someone who claimed a false dichotomy to give another option but you didn't even bother to try.
 
And as such you would agree that they are therefore not simply believing what they want to believe. Further, of course their position on Bernie v Hillary is no doubt informed by the results in Michigan.

Fantastic.

Ordinarily one would expect someone who claimed a false dichotomy to give another option but you didn't even bother to try.

Already did, obviously.
 
Well, you could read the link. It describes Bernie's stance on Israel quite thoroughly.
It was a sarcastic remark (that's what the /s meant).

I agree with basically everything he said. But according to many people, anyone who believes such things is an antisemite (sunmaster14 has called me one).
 
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Oh, OK so they believe that the rest of the polls are more than Michigan level wrong. Except the Bernie vs Trump polls.

That totally changes everything.

LOL.

Ladies and gents, the rule of so brought to you by Tony stark.

Other than your familiar angry denunciations, you got nothing.

As per usual.
 
Ladies and gents, the rule of so brought to you by Tony stark.

Other than your familiar angry denunciations, you got nothing.

As per usual.
You're just further convincing me that you don't even believe what you say.
 

His middle east speech was given (in Utah, or perhaps Idaho - busy day I only got to check headlines on my phone for most of the day) however, and while I don't have a direct copy of the speech given ():

https://berniesanders.com/sanders-outlines-middle-east-policy/

As well as the JTA article on it: http://www.jta.org/2016/03/21/news-...tions-on-table-if-iran-cheats-on-nuclear-deal

highlights from the speech:
...Let me begin by saying that I think I am probably the only candidate for president who has personal ties with Israel. I spent a number of months there when I was a young man on a kibbutz, so I know a little bit about Israel.
Clearly, the United States and Israel are united by historical ties. We are united by culture. We are united by our values, including a deep commitment to democratic principles, civil rights and the rule of law.
Israel is one of America’s closest allies, and we – as a nation – are committed not just to guaranteeing Israel’s survival, but also to make sure that its people have a right to live in peace and security.
To my mind, as friends – long term friends with Israel – we are obligated to speak the truth as we see it. That is what real friendship demands, especially in difficult times...
So when we talk about Israel and Palestinian areas, it is important to understand that today there is a whole lot of among Palestinians and that cannot be ignored. You can’t have good policy that results in peace if you ignore one side…
Peace has to mean security for every Israeli from violence and terrorism.
But peace also means security for every Palestinian. It means achieving self-determination, civil rights, and economic well-being for the Palestinian people.
Peace will mean ending what amounts to the occupation of Palestinian territory, establishing mutually agreed upon borders, and pulling back settlements in the West Bank, just as Israel did in Gaza – once considered an unthinkable move on Israel’s part…
Peace will also mean ending the economic blockade of Gaza. And it will mean a sustainable and equitable distribution of precious water resources so that Israel and Palestine can both thrive as neighbors…
Let me just say a word about an overall agenda for the Middle East...
First, the so-called Islamic State – ISIS – threatens the security of the entire region and beyond, including our own country and our allies. Secretary of State Kerry was right to say that ISIS is committing genocide, and there is no doubt in my mind that the United States must continue to participate in an international coalition to destroy this barbaric organization...
What I am saying is that countries like Qatar – which intends to spend up to $200 billion to host the 2022 World Cup – Qatar which per capita is the wealthiest nation in the world – Qatar can do more to contribute to the fight Against ISIS. If they are prepared to spend $200 billion for a soccer tournament, then they have got to spend a lot spend a lot more against a barbaric organization.
What I am also saying is that other countries in the region – like Saudi Arabia, which has the 4th largest defense budget in the world – has to dedicate itself more fully to the destruction of ISIS, instead of other military adventures like the one it is pursuing right now in Yemen.
And keep in mind that while ISIS is obviously a dangerous and formidable enemy, ISIS has only 30,000 fighters on the ground. So when we ask the nations in the region to stand up to do more against ISIS – nations in the region which have millions of men and women under arms – we know it is surely within their capability to destroy ISIS...
Another major challenge in the region, of course, is the Syrian Civil War itself – one of the worst humanitarian disasters in recent history…
In other words, we all recognize that Assad is a brutal dictator. But I think that our priorities right now have got to be destroy ISIS, work out a political settlement with Russia and Iran to get Assad out of power...
Another major challenge in the region is Iran, which routinely destabilizes the Middle East and threatens the security of Israel.
Now, I think all of us agree that Iran must not be able to acquire a nuclear weapon. That would just destabilize the entire region and create disastrous consequences.
Where we may disagree is how to achieve that goal. I personally strongly supported the nuclear deal with the United States, France, China, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom and Iran because I believe it is the best hope to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.
I want to thank the Obama administration for doing a very good job under very, very difficult circumstances…
I know that some say there is just no dealing with Iran – in any way at all – for the foreseeable future. And that is the position of some. After all, Iran is in a competition with Saudi Arabia and its allies for influences over that region.
But a more balanced approach toward Iran that serves our national security interests should hardly be a radical idea. We have serious concerns about the nature of the Iranian government, but we have to honest enough, and sometimes we are not, to admit that Saudi Arabia – a repressive regime in its own right – is hardly an example of Jeffersonian democracy...
Lots more but that touches most of the main points
 
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Lots more but that touches most of the main points

Fascinating, thanks.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding ISIS. So it is extremely interesting to see 'ole Bernie saying they can "do more" against ISIS.

What kind of bizzaro-world do we live in? The House of Saud financed 9/11. Not in unison, no - but this House is aligned formally with the radical Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam that formed the ISIS Caliphate. Al Qaeda in Afghanistan: Saudi Arabia. Osama Bin Laden: Saudi Arabia. The 9/11 hijackers: Saudi Arabia.

Yea, they can "do more", like stop killing Americans. That's a great way to do more for America. Stop killing Americans.

Sorry Bernie, you don't measure up here.
 
He's probably a self hating Jew.

/s

IIRC someone beat you to that joke already, Tony. ;)
Yes, I did, when the news broke Bernie wouldn't attend the AIPAC conference.

Great speech. Spot-on on everything.

And a good thing he didn't deliver it there, the air would have been rife with rotten eggs thrown in his direction by the Likudniks.

Interesting tidbit that AIPAC wouldn't accommodate him with a video link, while it had done so in the past for other candidates.
 
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