Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread

[Trakar]

[Looks again at post in question]

Pray tell what you see that is conservative voting in that quote.

The actions of the person making the post.

 

[Trakar]

Most Trump supporters think that the US was just fine before, but 8 years of Obama has made us divided. I've asked quite a few Trump supporters just how exactly will Trump be able to "un-divide" the country (because I believe having him as a president will be like throwing gasoline on a raging fire).

Their response is almost universal: apparently he will create so many jobs and the economy will be so strong and America will have an unbeatable military so we'll be secure.

Because of that, everybody will be happy and come together, and America will be great again.

I kid you not

You well support my own observations.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The actions of the person making the post.

Evasion answering what you are obviously wrong about noted.

 

[Trakar]

Evasion answering what you are obviously wrong about noted.

LOL, your opinion regarding what is right and what is wrong is of no value, as has been noted repeatedly.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Bernie's team has a plan to steal the Nomination if they are behind but close at the conference. Strangely it's the same plan that his supporters have been denouncing and claiming that Hillary would do..... Ooops.

 

[logger]

Anyone who calls anyone a "boob" I demand to know what year they were born in. Honestly, respect, we need to bring that word back. Your opinions are stupid but I love the word choices.

Lol

Yours are so intelligent, Joey, I can figure out when you were born.

 

[Manopolus]

Bernie's team has a plan to steal the Nomination if they are behind but close at the conference. Strangely it's the same plan that his supporters have been denouncing and claiming that Hillary would do..... Ooops.

He's just leaving his options open just in case the email thing hits late in the game. I'm pretty sure he won't go that way unless something happens which suggests it. He also doesn't want to harp on the email thing himself, so that made it a delicate matter to try to explain.

 

[PhantomWolf]

He's just leaving his options open just in case the email thing hits late in the game. I'm pretty sure he won't go that way unless something happens which suggests it.

Did that spinning make you dizzy?

 

[Manopolus]

Did that spinning make you dizzy?

It's the most reasonable explanation. He doesn't want to go negative on Hillary with the email thing (he has made that clear), but if something does come up late, he knows he'll have to step in whether he's got the delegate count or not.

 

[PhantomWolf]

It's the most reasonable explanation.

No, the most reasonable explanation is that his campaign are “going to do the best we can in any and every way to win,” including the idea they raised of turning as many Supers as they can to their side even if they are behind so they can use the Super's to over turn the voter's choice.

 

[Manopolus]

No, the most reasonable explanation is that his campaign are “going to do the best we can in any and every way to win,” including the idea they raised of turning as many Supers as they can to their side even if they are behind so they can use the Super's to over turn the voter's choice.

Umm... it's also clear that he intends to get the pledged delegates to win. Think about it for a second. I don't see any reason why he would think that superdelegates would turn against Hillary unless something happened to compromise her. He's not stupid by a long shot.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Bernie is a European style socialist, and he's always been that way. Clinton is an opportunist. Besides being a garden variety war criminal.

I'm feeling the Bern.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Umm... it's also clear that he intends to get the pledged delegates to win. Think about it for a second. I don't see any reason why he would think that superdelegates would turn against Hillary unless something happened to compromise her. He's not stupid by a long shot.

There is plenty of reason, they'll try the same arguments that his supporters are using here. Momentum, Doing better then polling suggests, polling better against Trump, yada yada yada

If this was oh so innocent, then why would Sanders pontificate about it and have to be asked three times to explain, and still not be willing to do so?

If the most reasonable explanation is "it's because Hillary might be unelectable due to emails," then the answer to the question the first time would have been. "Yes, we understand that the Candidate going into the convention should be the Nominee, but sometimes things happen and that candidate becomes unelectable, and then things have to happen another way" rather then "look we're going to do everything in our power to win."

You seem to believe that Saint Bernie and his team aren't politicians who have been at the game a long time and know exact how to play it to win and will do exactly that. How delusional.

 

[Manopolus]

You seem to believe that Saint Bernie and his team aren't politicians who have been at the game a long time and know exact how to play it to win and will do exactly that. How delusional.

On the contrary, the explanation I've described is exactly how politicians operate.

 

[Tony Stark]

Bernie stands no chance at all (unless something happens to Hillary) at getting a majority of the pledged delegates. He would have to win 58% of the rest of the delegates for that to happen. He won't and believing otherwise is simply wishful thinkingm

 

[Manopolus]

Bernie stands no chance at all (unless something happens to Hillary) at getting a majority of the pledged delegates. He would have to win 58% of the rest of the delegates for that to happen. He won't and believing otherwise is simply wishful thinkingm

He got 67% in Kansas, 60% in Oklahoma, 60% in New Hampshire, and The South is pretty much done voting at this point. Also, he's not going to run out of money, because he is crowd sourced, and quite a lot of that money comes from California, the last state to vote. Also, The West and New York are both pretty damn liberal.

...and it's basically halftime -- as close to the beginning as it is to the end.

So... we finally have a campaign model that can potentially elect a bona fide liberal -- one that doesn't count on corporate money. You are complaining why? The only reason campaigns stopped this early in the past is because they ran out of corporate money... corporations mainly give money to whoever they think will win for the sake of potential influence (access). It's not based on ideology. In a crowd-sourced campaign, the money he gets actually is based on ideology, which means it isn't going to dry up early like most of them do.

So... the rules are different. I know. It's not what you're used to with elections. However, things actually have changed this cycle in more ways than one. It's not just a couple of unusual candidates. It's a whole different ball game. Win or lose, someone is actually going to finish the game this time, instead of quitting at halftime. Even if he loses (which is obviously a possibility), we'll better understand how to run this type of campaign the next time around.

 

[Tony Stark]

He got 67% in Kansas, 60% in Oklahoma, 60% in New Hampshire, and The South is pretty much done voting at this point. Also, he's not going to run out of money, because he is crowd sourced, and quite a lot of that money comes from California, the last state to vote. Also, The West and New York are both pretty damn liberal.

...and it's basically halftime -- as close to the beginning as it is to the end.

So... we finally have a campaign model that can potentially elect a bona fide liberal -- one that doesn't count on corporate money. You are complaining why? The only reason campaigns stopped this early in the past is because they ran out of corporate money... corporations mainly give money to whoever they think will win for the sake of potential influence (access). It's not based on ideology. In a crowd-sourced campaign, the money he gets actually is based on ideology, which means it isn't going to dry up early like most of them do.

So... the rules are different. I know. It's not what you're used to with elections. However, things actually have changed this cycle in more ways than one. It's not just a couple of unusual candidates. It's a whole different ball game.

Yeah, he has won some small states by big margins. So what. He is still losing. By a lot.

It is not responsible to believe he is going to win nearly 60% of the rest of the delegates. Frankly, it is downright delusional to believe so.

 

[Manopolus]

Yeah, he has won some small states by big margins. So what. He is still losing. By a lot.

It is not responsible to believe he is going to win nearly 60% of the rest of the delegates. Frankly, it is downright delusional to believe so.

I don't think it's delusional at all to believe that he'll win if enough people show up to vote for him. To believe otherwise is where the conspiracy theory territory is. He just needs enough people to show up at the polls. That's it. As a general rule, only 10% of registered democrats usually do (at a caucus. a little more than that in a primary). There's no physical laws in existence that suggest that this can't change.

He's won where turnout was high, BTW. Clinton wins where it's low. All he needs is for enough people to show up. This sort of resigned attitude is actually the only thing that can stop him.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

They didn't think I'd make the Olympic team either.

 

[Tony Stark]

I don't think it's delusional at all to believe that he'll win if enough people show up to vote for him. To believe otherwise is where the conspiracy theory territory is. He just needs enough people to show up at the polls. That's it. As a general rule, only 10% of registered democrats usually do. There's no physical laws in existence that suggest that this can't change.

He's won where turnout was high, BTW. Clinton wins where it's low. All he needs is for enough people to show up.

Anybody can win if enough people show up to vote for him.

What is delusional is believing, without any evidence whatsoever, that enough people are going to show up to vote for Bernie to the point that he is going to turn what isn't a close race at all at this point.

The projections I have seen from Bernie supporters to convince themselves that Bernie still has chance are just flat out ridiculous. The scenarios basically call for Bernie to win every state going forward. Including double digit wins in states that Hillary is favored to win like New York and Arizona.

It is not going to happen.