Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part II

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Hell,Donald has said lots of things you don't need to edit to be an effective weapon against him.
Hell,an intern as a big ad agency could come up with a very effective campaign against Trump.
 
sunmaster14 said:
And the general election begins ...

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And then Trump does stuff like this. :jaw-dropp
It's like you can't parody the guy, because anything you come up with couldn't possibly be as funny as what he actually does.

dudalb said:
Hell,Donald has said lots of things you don't need to edit to be an effective weapon against him.
Hell,an intern as a big ad agency could come up with a very effective campaign against Trump.
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It seems I'm wrong, dudalb. It is very humbling, but I've seen the current polls and Clinton is now beating Trump by a much wider margin than a few weeks ago. But this ad, man. It's stuff like this that makes me think Trump is just running the biggest troll job ever on the US. Holy hopping Jesus on a pogo stick. It's like I'd forgotten about the Trump Song:



These are real things that happened. This is the most bizarre presidential campaign I've ever seen. I'm just waiting to see what he's going to come up with next.
 
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Axiom_Blade said:
But this ad, man. It's stuff like this that makes me think Trump is just running the biggest troll job ever on the US.
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I understand.

I think this whole thing would make more sense if Trump appeared on camera and announced in flawless French "my entire campaign has been a performance art piece to comment on capitalism, post-Westernism, and America-ism from an epi-modern and post-epi-modern perspective."
 
I was just looking up Eric Trump, since he appears to be showing up standing behind Teh Donald a lot these days, and I happened upon the picture of Donald Jr and Eric holding up the leopard that they killed. :mad:
Seems that did the rounds in Nov 15.

On an actual Trump note, the Economist Intelligence Unit curiously now deems a Trump presidency to be as much of a threat to the world economy as jihadi terorism.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35828747
 
TofuFighter said:
On an actual Trump note, the Economist Intelligence Unit curiously now deems a Trump presidency to be as much of a threat to the world economy as jihadi terorism.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35828747
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Why curiously ? Even the (very short) BBC article outlines the reason for this assessment....

The research firm warns he could disrupt the global economy and heighten political and security risks in the US.
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It would be perfectly fair to challenge this assessment, but I don't think it's curious given that, at various times in the campaign, Donald Trump has:

  • Stated that he would take a protectionist stance against imports and imports from China in particular
  • Deport 11 million Mexicans, build a wall and force Mexico to pay for it - hinting very strongly that he would be willing to resort to military action if Mexico was not compliant
  • Advocated stopping Muslims entering the U.S. for a period of time and has increased the anti-Muslim rhetoric my several notches
  • Presented a muddled and confused set of plans for the U.S. economy (the largest in the world) many of which amount to nothing more than wishful thinking

Most or all of the above could merely be electioneering and in any case even if he is serious, his ability to follow through on any of them is dependent on getting them through Congress but I can see how he and his policies could have a massively destabilising effect on the U.S. economy which in turn would impact the world economy.
 
Hilariously some Trumpers (Trumpees? Trumpettes? Trumpeters?) are blaming John Scalzi for their master's defeat in Ohio.
Evening calling him an "avowed socialist" and saying he's part of the "self-designated elite" (he graduated high school and college).
It's hilarious how every setback must be spun into a conspiracy against the Tump.
 
Mike! said:
I wonder if he loses, could we file a law suit against him for failure to deliver on his promised 'big win'? Seems to be the only thing he really understands.
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Per Admiralty Court Rules, unless his name appears on the ballot in capital letters, it is not really him and so he is neither responsible nor yet can he be sued. :cool:
 
Iconoclastic magician, skeptic, libertarian, Clinton-hater and Celebrity Apprentice contestant Penn Jillette on his former friend:
Penn Jillette said:
I have written and spoken and joked with friends the meanest, cruelest, most hateful things that could ever been said by me, have been said about the Clintons. I loathe them. I disagree with Hillary Clinton on just about everything there is to disagree with a person about. If it comes down to Trump and Hillary, I will put a Hillary Clinton sticker on my *********** car.
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http://www.newsweek.com/penn-jillette-terrified-president-trump-431837
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
Just keep fiddling that tune while your ship sinks beneath the waves.
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Obama was singing the hope and change tune 7 years ago... I guess if the health care bill is your thing, that might count as a change... but as far as revolutionizing the way government works for the people, the big anti-establishment mentality would suggest otherwise. That's only grown since his 2008 inauguration and this extends to the democrat party given Sander's publicity in the last year. In 2008 it's unlikely Sanders would have even made it to the primaries.

It's a pity the anti establishment mentality Obama tried to capitalize on in 2008 is pointing at either bat crap crazy candidates or ones that will promise free things for higher taxes
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So you are unaware then that "those people" is used as a racist reference to blacks?
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I'm aware that it can be used so. I'm also aware that it's used to describe _any_ group of people, so the mere use isn't indicative of the former.

What is this supposed to mean?
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Really? It wasn't clear enough?

Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is? Well, yours is the reverse. Well, it's the same, really. I just gave it a funny name.
 
Ladewig said:
I understand.

I think this whole thing would make more sense if Trump appeared on camera and announced in flawless French "my entire campaign has been a performance art piece to comment on capitalism, post-Westernism, and America-ism from an epi-modern and post-epi-modern perspective."
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Or, as another forum member so wonderfully put it some months ago, he were to stand up during a major event and tear off his mask to reveal he's actually Andy Kaufman.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Or, as another forum member so wonderfully put it some months ago, he were to stand up during a major event and tear off his mask to reveal he's actually Andy Kaufman.
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And then he can do an Elvis impression.....

Kaufman did the best Elvis impression, ever. He was doing it in the mid 70's along time before it became a national pastime.
Elvis himself saw Kaufman do it on "Saturday Night live" and was astonished at how well Kauffman captured him.
 
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Hey appalled clever people:

If you don't want fascist, nationalist, populist, Ceasar-type demagogue candidates getting nominated, consider legislating as if low wages and high rents were problems instead of door prizes.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Obama was singing the hope and change tune 7 years ago... I guess if the health care bill is your thing, that might count as a change... but as far as revolutionizing the way government works for the people, the big anti-establishment mentality would suggest otherwise. That's only grown since his 2008 inauguration and this extends to the democrat party given Sander's publicity in the last year. In 2008 it's unlikely Sanders would have even made it to the primaries.

It's a pity the anti establishment mentality Obama tried to capitalize on in 2008 is pointing at either bat crap crazy candidates or ones that will promise free things for higher taxes
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You mean a wall and deporting over a million people. Blocking anyone based on their religion and treating chicks like bitches?
 
lobosrul said:
I'm not so sure. Look at yesterday's results. If, Cruz just got the former Rubio voters, and not a single one from Kasich he would've easily won in NC and MO, and essentially tied Trump in IL. The vast majority of Ruibo supports will go to Cruz I think.
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(In response to my assertion that the only one who can stop Trump is Trump.)



What I meant was that The Donald has acquired legitimacy as a candidate, and indeed has a delegate margin big enough that, under normal circumstances, he would be declared unstoppable. The Republicans would rally round him and prepare to take on Hillary.

Well, these aren't normal circumstances, because so very many people hate Trump. However, for the remaining voters, and for the GOP delegates, they have a decision to make. it is possible to stop Trump, but in order to do so, there would be a lot of bad feelings and seriously angry people. If they succeed in knocking him down and keeping him out of the nomination, it would only be with a political bloodbath that would leave the party extremely vulnerable. The GOP leaders have to be aware of that, and they have to find themselves in a position where they don't dare actually do what they have to do to stop Trump.

Unless something changes. Up until now, an awful lot of people still didn't take him seriously. After Super Tuesday, they finally realized it was real. After the most recent not quite as super Tuesday, a lot of people woke up and realized that not only is he for real, he's the guy who will run unless stopped. With that position, an awful lot of scrutiny will fall on him. People in the remaining primary states will have to look at him with a critical eye, instead of simply accepting him uncritically, or dismissing him unseriously.

Under that scrutiny, Trump will either survive or perish. With the world's eyes finally fixed square on him, he will either convince a lot of the doubters that he isn't so bad after all, or will convince people leaning in his direction that his critics are right, and that he really is a dangerous egomaniac with no clear ideology beyond self aggrandizement. (Yeah, I'm not much of a Trump fan.)

So, I say the only person who can stop Trump, is Trump. As the presumptive nominee, he will either rise to the occasion, and be accepted by the remaining decision makers, or he will be exposed as a buffoon, fail to get a delegate majority, and have sufficiently soft support, and terrible poll numbers, that the delegates decide to abandon him. Or, it is conceivable that he will blow it so badly that it doesn't get to the delegates. It is conceivable that Trump will do something so stupid that he is immediately abandoned, and Cruz gets to Cleveland with a majority.

That seems extremely unlikely, but not inconceivable.
 
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