Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread

[luchog]

That would be amusing, assuming Trump had a tantrum and ran independently.

He's already claimed that he will if he does not get the GOP nomination.

I'm strongly hoping that this will happen. Trump would pull a huge chunk of the working-class white vote away from whoever the GOP nominee will be (most likely Cruz at this point); which would be just the thing to hand the election to the Democrats. And so far he appears to be just arrogant enough to make good on his threat.

 

[Manopolus]

Wow. That is a useful tautology.

Well, I figure it's better than pretending it's all one way or all the other. My point has always been that the party will lose more votes with a Hillary win than they would with a Bernie win. The Hillary voters are pretty much the mainline party -- she has brought in no new demographic.

I suppose the other side of it might be that Hillary might get more Republican and right-leaning crossovers that don't like their own candidate. That one's a harder sell though, IMO. Republicans seem to respect Bernie more, even though he is more to the left than Hillary. Yeah, the "free stuff" slam is going around WRT Bernie, as is the "communist" flag that Hillary supporters keep claiming hasn't come up yet, but those are pretty lightweight arguments compared to people saying that Hillary belongs in prison.

 

[varwoche]

According to your tortured "logic", MLK tolerated bigotry; your candidate Bernie Sanders tolerates bigotry.

<grabs a bag of popcorn pretzels awaiting Tony Stark's whimsical and deeply insightful take on things>

Tony, do you care to clarify? Do you consider MLK and Sanders (not to mention a great many other people) as people who tolerate bigotry, simply because they prefer less disruptive protest tactics?

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[Belz...]

Well, I figure it's better than pretending it's all one way or all the other.

Except that at no point has done anything of the sort save you.

 

[ddt]

How else do you explain 2/3 (or more) of the population not bothering to vote then?

Apathy and ignorance. And racist laws that exclude certain classes of voters, or make it prohibitively difficult for them to vote.

And long lines at the polling station, crappy opening hours, not getting free from work etc.

I just got my voting card from my city- we have a non-binding referendum on April 6 here in the Netherlands. I never had to register, or re-register as a voter. Of course we do have to register with the city anyhow where we live, but then everything goes automatic. And I do need to show an ID, but I have to have and carry an ID anyhow.

And then, oh horror, apparently the usual polling station I go to, 2 minutes walk around the corner is not open this time. The national government gives less money than at usual elections to the cities to carry out the referendum, so some skimp on the number of polling stations. My city, 150,000 inhabitants, has reduced them from over 100 to just over 70. There have actually been lawsuits - and won - over these reductions in cities with more drastic cuts. So now I have to walk a whopping 9 minutes to the polling station.

That's more than I've ever been inside - 3 minutes tops, including waiting in line. Line? Two persons before me is the maximum I can remember, and I've vote for every election since I turned 18. And the polling station is open from 7:30 AM to 9:00 PM, so virtually everybody can go vote either before or after work. Or else vote at the polling station at the train station.

I'm amazed at how the USA, the "greatest democracy" can make the very basis of that democracy, viz. voting, so complicated and a hassle for its citizens.

Sorry for straying a bit off-topic.

 

[lobosrul]

And long lines at the polling station, crappy opening hours, not getting free from work etc.

I just got my voting card from my city- we have a non-binding referendum on April 6 here in the Netherlands. I never had to register, or re-register as a voter. Of course we do have to register with the city anyhow where we live, but then everything goes automatic. And I do need to show an ID, but I have to have and carry an ID anyhow.

And then, oh horror, apparently the usual polling station I go to, 2 minutes walk around the corner is not open this time. The national government gives less money than at usual elections to the cities to carry out the referendum, so some skimp on the number of polling stations. My city, 150,000 inhabitants, has reduced them from over 100 to just over 70. There have actually been lawsuits - and won - over these reductions in cities with more drastic cuts. So now I have to walk a whopping 9 minutes to the polling station.

That's more than I've ever been inside - 3 minutes tops, including waiting in line. Line? Two persons before me is the maximum I can remember, and I've vote for every election since I turned 18. And the polling station is open from 7:30 AM to 9:00 PM, so virtually everybody can go vote either before or after work. Or else vote at the polling station at the train station.

I'm amazed at how the USA, the "greatest democracy" can make the very basis of that democracy, viz. voting, so complicated and a hassle for its citizens.

Sorry for straying a bit off-topic.

Well, the polls are open from 6:30 AM to 7:30 PM in some of the elections today. Not many people work 13 hours straight. But the long waits are an issue. And it seems like here there is always some problem each time, like polling station runs out of ballots or some-such BS. And nothing is within walking distance in most US cities.

 

[luchog]

And long lines at the polling station, crappy opening hours, not getting free from work etc.

That's why a number of states, including mine, have gone to mail-in ballots. You can still go to a traditional polling station; but the mail-in option makes things much more convenient. Not likely to catch on in the South, where the GOP is still working hard to prevent black people from voting.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Looks like today will be a very good day.

Want to define what that means before bernie falls any further behind ?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Want to define what that means before bernie falls any further behind ?

nobody he knows got killed in South Central LA.

 

[logger]

Can we stick a fork in the democrat socialist?

 

[Tony Stark]

Can we stick a fork in the democrat socialist?

Hate to agree with logger but Bernie is done.

 

[Trakar]

Hate to agree with logger but Bernie is done.

Well, the traditional path toward his election as POTUS in November is beyond reach, and more's the pity, ...for all of us.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Well, the traditional path toward his election as POTUS in November is beyond reach, and more's the pity, ...for all of us.

I'm kinda amazed he got as far as he did. The guy doesn't look or sound like a Democrat. On top of that, he was going up against a woman who was clobbering him in funding, connections, and name recognition. For all of that, though, I feel sorry for her if she has to debate Trump. He's gonna wipe the floor with her.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Can we stick a fork in the democrat socialist?

Bernie may appear done on the outside, but he's still RED on the inside.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Oh, Berntards....words cannot express how badly I feel for you. After you tied Hillary in Michigan last week, you actually thought you had a chance. But tonight....I think that's what you call a beatdown.

Bernie really should drop out, but he'll continue to soak the rubes, $20 dollars at a time.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Oh, Berntards....words cannot express how badly I feel for you. After you tied Hillary in Michigan last week, you actually thought you had a chance. But tonight....I think that's what you call a beatdown.

Bernie really should drop out, but he'll continue to soak the rubes, $20 dollars a pop.

 

[logger]

Well, the traditional path toward his election as POTUS in November is beyond reach, and more's the pity, ...for all of us.

Ok I'll play

What would the socialist have done for me?

 

[logger]

Bernie may appear done on the outside, but he's still RED on the inside.

He could always take a vacation, Russia could be nice this time of year, but since he's already been there, Cuba could be the next dream vacation for him.

 

[Manopolus]

Ok I'll play

What would the socialist have done for me?

First and foremost, he would likely have put an end to trading-via-algorithm, partially by taxing each transaction, thus stabilizing markets and bringing new blood into public investing that isn't currently going public. As things are going, we're pretty much on our way to the end of traditional investing in the US.

Secondly, by forcing more money down to the bottom levels (via raising the minimum wage), he would increase the velocity of money, thus improving sales potential.

Thirdly, moving to a single payer system would also free up money that is currently tied up in the insurance industries -- not a bad thing unless you happen to be in the private health insurance field.

Lastly, his education system would create a better educated population so that companies don't have to move to Europe or Korea to get enough workers with the needed education to run the economy of the future.

 

[timhau]

First and foremost, he would likely have put an end to trading-via-algorithm, partially by taxing each transaction, thus stabilizing markets and bringing new blood into public investing that isn't currently going public. As things are going, we're pretty much on our way to the end of traditional investing in the US.

I'm not an American, but I am a private investor and I do own NYSE- and NASDAQ-listed shares. I do a a few trades per year (buying much more than selling). Care to elaborate how algorithmic trading is bad for me and my kind?