The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[Mudcat]

Math:

H*U = (N*e^2) ds = I*T

I tried googling that and got nothing so I have to ask, is that an actual formula for something?

I have read most of this thread and my impression is that the theory of relativity will not begin to fall apart in 2016/2017.

Was there ever any doubt?

 

[Reality Check]

As expected ...

An irrelevant rant ignorant about physics as expected, Bjarne.
26th February 2016 Bjarne does not know what energy or mass is or where E=mc2 comes from

 

[Reality Check]

You know my point is that you cannot separate relativistic energy and relativistic mass.
reason for this is that both factors belong to one and the same process...

We certainly can separate nonsense from gibberish, Bjarne.
Relativistic energy is a result from SR, not an incoherent fantasy.
Dragging in delusions and ignorance about the electromagnetic force and the strong force just makes things worse.

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

I tried googling that and got nothing so I have to ask, is that an actual formula for something?

My attempt at humor didn't work, apparently. It said, in a roundabout way: Math, who needs it?

 

[tsig]

Exactly, but my question is only why is that so ?
What is energy really and what is mass really
And why are these 2 factors equivalent ?

It is not enough to understand, that Jeppe on the hill is drinking, you must understand why Jeppe is drinking.

Is Jeppe's alcohol consumption equivalent to all the girls that have left him?
Or Why is Jeppe always drunk?
Same kind of question must be asked by real scientist, - if they want to know more

How drunk do I have to be before your stuff makes sense?

 

[tsig]

I tried googling that and got nothing so I have to ask, is that an actual formula for something?



Was there ever any doubt?

I did feel a vague unraveling of the fabric of the Cosmos but GOD mended the rent in time so all's well.

 

[Dancing David]

Exactly, but my question is only why is that so ?
What is energy really and what is mass really
And why are these 2 factors equivalent ?

It is not enough to understand, that Jeppe on the hill is drinking, you must understand why Jeppe is drinking.

Is Jeppe's alcohol consumption equivalent to all the girls that have left him?
Or Why is Jeppe always drunk?
Same kind of question must be asked by real scientist, - if they want to know more

Because they are just descriptive terms we use, matter and energy are old terms going back in time through various language roots.

The universe doesn't care about our words, matter si energy and energy is matter, our language and culture has preconceptions.

So we need to revise our preconceptions.

 

[MikeG]

I don’t need to word hard to realize that if energy can vanish into an expression (position energy) and hide there, we are not speaking of beautiful science but rather about mathematical nonsense.

Dear oh lord. This has slipped from the heights of an O level standard discussion down to infant school level. Now we've got vanishing energy. Whatever next?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Dear oh lord. This has slipped from the heights of an O level standard discussion down to infant school level. Now we've got vanishing energy. Whatever next?

More specifically, we've got energy vanishing into a form in which it can be defined precisely and quantified accurately, and from which it can be recovered as required. Kind of stretches the definition of "vanish" to the point where it, well, vanishes.

Dave

 

[Bjarne]

We certainly can separate nonsense from gibberish, Bjarne.
Relativistic energy is a result from SR, not an incoherent fantasy.
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Then you only need to realize the consequence of that, - but I am not sure you can, so long you have no idea why relativistic mass/energy increment have with speed top to.

 

[MikeG]

........you have no idea why relativistic mass/energy increment have with speed top to.

Could you try this sentence again, Bjarne. At the moment it is gibberish. "Have with speed top to" means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

 

[Bjarne]

Because they are just descriptive terms we use, matter and energy are old terms going back in time through various language roots.

The universe doesn't care about our words, matter si energy and energy is matter, our language and culture has preconceptions.

So we need to revise our preconceptions.

I am not sure what you are trying to say, the point is you cannot have missing links (gaps) when converting energy from one kind of energy to another.
Energy must always be measurable in the real world, this must both apply for relativistic mass/energy as well as position energy/mass.

 

[Dancing David]

I am not sure what you are trying to say, the point is you cannot have missing links (gaps) when converting energy from one kind of energy to another.
Energy must always be measurable in the real world, this must both apply for relativistic mass/energy as well as position energy/mass.

That doesn't matter, I responded to your post and now you change teh subject. the fact that potential energy is stored in the attraction between two object in a gravitational field doesn't mean that the energy is hidden.
The fact that you Bjarne has preconceptions about everything needing to meet your expectations is a different issue.

 

[Daylightstar]

I don’t need to word hard to realize that if energy can vanish into an expression (position energy) and hide there, we are not speaking of beautiful science but rather about mathematical nonsense.

That would be because you don't understand one and another thing and you make stuff up as you go.
The irrational nonsense you come up with requires the 'mathematics as nonsense'

As you probably know, you are not the only person with worthless alternative notions who requires 'mathematics as nonsense', have you noticed that?

 

[Mudcat]

How drunk do I have to be before your stuff makes sense?

Past the lethal limit, would be my guess.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I am not sure what you are trying to say, the point is you cannot have missing links (gaps) when converting energy from one kind of energy to another.
Energy must always be measurable in the real world, this must both apply for relativistic mass/energy as well as position energy/mass.

Well Bjarne, I'm happy to note that in this particular case you're absolutely right.

Now, where is there any energy that cannot be accounted for? I'm not aware that anybody has mentioned any.

Hans

 

[Reality Check]

Then you only need to realize the consequence of that, - but I am not sure you can, so long you have no idea why relativistic mass/energy increment have with speed top to.

The consequences of your incoherent fantasy, Bjarne? Or the consequences of this incoherent post?
You seem to be refering to what school children around the world are taught. Massive objects cannot move at the speed of light because you need to accelerate them with an infinite amount of energy. The school children read the simple equation of relativistic mass and see that as v tends to c relativistic mass tends to infinity. First year physics students then learn where that equation comes from.

Or this is a dumb insult - I was such a school child (and science university student and physics postgraduate student) !

 

[Bjarne]

The consequences of your incoherent fantasy, Bjarne? Or the consequences of this incoherent post?
You seem to be refering to what school children around the world are taught. Massive objects cannot move at the speed of light because you need to accelerate them with an infinite amount of energy. The school children read the simple equation of relativistic mass and see that as v tends to c relativistic mass tends to infinity. First year physics students then learn where that equation comes from.

Or this is a dumb insult - I was such a school child (and science university student and physics postgraduate student) !

I am 399.999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % sure that little stupid Peter from the kindergarten school is intelligent enough to understand that if he got 100 USD to his bank account to his christenings, he know that because he have spent 10 USD on candy and 10 USD on toys, and because grandmother send 20USD to his account at his 5 years birthday, and his aunt did the same he have 120 USD (+ interest).

If a ostentatious postgraduate student would tell him that 20 USD only is position money that really not exist, and the other 20 USD from aunt was also only fictive relativistic money , and so was the money he spend on toys and candy, - that also really not existed, - Peter would know that something must be wrong with that students head.. – The student could be either drunk or have smoked some **** - even little Peter know that much..

But it is much worse……

According to my experience the problems can be found by usingthe equation below.

SNB = t * U * c ²

S =Stupiditý
N = Naivety
B = boasting
U = University
T = time
C= speed of light

And when drinking and smoking **** at the same time, - the equation below must be used instead

SNB = t * U * c ²²

This explains a lot of the problems we have worldwide with science today.....

 

[Steve]

I am 399.999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % sure that little stupid Peter from the kindergarten school is intelligent enough to understand that if he got 100 USD to his bank account to his christenings, he know that because he have spent 10 USD on candy and 10 USD on toys, and because grandmother send 20USD to his account at his 5 years birthday, and his aunt did the same he have 120 USD (+ interest).

If a ostentatious postgraduate student would tell him that 20 USD only is position money that really not exist, and the other 20 USD from aunt was also only fictive relativistic money , and so was the money he spend on toys and candy, - that also really not existed, - Peter would know that something must be wrong with that students head.. – The student could be either drunk or have smoked some **** - even little Peter know that much..

But it is much worse……

According to my experience the problems can be found by usingthe equation below.

SNB = t * U * c ²

S =Stupiditý
N = Naivety
B = boasting
U = University
T = time
C= speed of light

And when drinking and smoking **** at the same time, - the equation below must be used instead

SNB = t * U * c ²²

This explains a lot of the problems we have worldwide with science today.....

What the ..........?

 

[Mudcat]

Massive objects cannot move at the speed of light because you need to accelerate them with an infinite amount of energy.

How do you define massive in this context? Something the size of a space shuttle? Something the size of any starship bearing the name Enterprise? Something the size of the Death Star? Larger?

Not that it helps the selected claim any because as long as you have finite mass, and that's all you can have in this universe, then it'll only require a finite amount of energy to move it at the speed of light. Sure, the energy might get to truly insane amounts but it'll never be infinite.

I am 399.999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % sure that little stupid Peter from the kindergarten school is intelligent enough to understand that if he got 100 USD to his bank account to his christenings, he know that because he have spent 10 USD on candy and 10 USD on toys, and because grandmother send 20USD to his account at his 5 years birthday, and his aunt did the same he have 120 USD (+ interest).

If a ostentatious postgraduate student would tell him that 20 USD only is position money that really not exist, and the other 20 USD from aunt was also only fictive relativistic money , and so was the money he spend on toys and candy, - that also really not existed, - Peter would know that something must be wrong with that students head.. – The student could be either drunk or have smoked some **** - even little Peter know that much..

But it is much worse……

According to my experience the problems can be found by usingthe equation below.

SNB = t * U * c ²

S =Stupiditý
N = Naivety
B = boasting
U = University
T = time
C= speed of light

And when drinking and smoking **** at the same time, - the equation below must be used instead

SNB = t * U * c ²²

This explains a lot of the problems we have worldwide with science today.....

What is this? I don't even.